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Poll Results: 8800 GTX or 9800 GTX

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I've seen multiple reviews (and even posted one myself) of the 9800GTX. It seems the 9800GTX, overall, pulls out ahead of the 8800GTX. But when high resolutions (~1600x1200 or up) are used, or when AntiAliasing and/or Anisotropic Filtering (AA and AF) are applied, the 8800GTX seems to pull out ahead.
    
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You may also notice that pretty much only the 8800GTX owners are defending it like mad.
and we have noticed it's you, the G92 owners defending the crippled 256bits G92 core.

none of those shows overclocking. you said it yourself that 8800Ultra is the best, and i am here to tell you that 8800GTX can be easily overclocked to Ultra's speed and beyond. 9800GTX tops at 830Mhz, with its small memory bandwidth, it really can never match the Ultra (aka, mild overclocked 8800GTX)
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The extra ram on the old GTX should make it the selling point for larger resolutions. The 9 series are all 256bit@512mb so they don't work the higher resolutions like the older high end 8 series cards do/did.
    
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and we have noticed it's you, the G92 owners defending the crippled 256bits G92 core.
Actually I had both kinds of cards, so... fail.

And calling the G92 crippled is just plain dumb.
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OK, to stop the uneducated foolishness...

HardOCP

Tom's

Both show that in most cases the 8800GTX is inferior. The only thing better is the 8800Ultra really, but good luck finding one on the cheap.

You may also notice that pretty much only the 8800GTX owners are defending it like mad.
No just folowing the stream, not to argue against you or something^^
Yeah but it's abious since the 8800GTX have stand so solid in second place for like ever (17 months)
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Actually I had both kinds of cards, so... fail.

And calling the G92 crippled is just plain dumb.
calling people fail and simply pointing out a fact i've said won't help you in the argument.

the fact of the matter is, G92 do not have the memory bandwidth to support 800Mhz core overclock, even with a huge overclock on the memory. although it gives better average FPS (great for benchmarking and e-pee).
playable gaming minimal FPS can never be comparable to the 8800GTX where the latter is very capable with it's huge memory bandwidth.

just look at Dx10 Crysis performance, where 8800GTX ALWAYS have higher minimal FPS than G92 core.
this is also the case when AA is enabled in Dx10 World in Conflict
Dx10 is the future, would anyone want to buy a high end graphics card to play old games? where all other (cheaper) graphics cards can do the job perfectly well? NO.
we all want a balanced graphics card where it produces good minimal FPS with lavish AA/AF enabled.
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu View Post
calling people fail and simply pointing out a fact i've said won't help you in the argument.

the fact of the matter is, G92 do not have the memory bandwidth to support 800Mhz core overclock, even with a huge overclock on the memory. although it gives better average FPS (great for benchmarking and e-pee).
playable gaming minimal FPS can never be comparable to the 8800GTX where the latter is very capable with it's huge memory bandwidth.

just look at Dx10 Crysis performance, where 8800GTX ALWAYS have higher minimal FPS than G92 core.
this is also the case when AA is enabled in Dx10 World in Conflict
Dx10 is the future, would anyone want to buy a high end graphics card to play old games? where all other (cheaper) graphics cards can do the job perfectly well? NO.
we all want a balanced graphics card where it produces good minimal FPS with lavish AA/AF enabled.
I have to agree.

Most people who spend money on one of the highest-end cards on the market are probably going to want the highest detail (including AA and AF), and high resolutions as well. That just makes sense. They go hand-in-hand.
    
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post #58 of 60
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Actually I had both kinds of cards, so... fail.

And calling the G92 crippled is just plain dumb.
I had a G92 GTS and I overclocked it to 780MHz core and 1.9GHz shader. That didn't impress me.

There are things reviews can't tell you, therefore you can't really prove anything with their "results". The strong G92 core sure gave me higher FPS, but being crippled by 256-bit 512MB, I saw lots of stutters at 1680x1050 especially in open-world games like Crysis and World In Conflict, or even in Source with max AA/AF.

I actually had both 8800GTX and the GTS 512 side by side at that time and I could've easily sold the 8800GTX to go SLI with the GTS, but I decided to sell the GTS to get the second 8800GTX.

One thing for sure, I prefer a slightly slower car that's reliable than a faster car that breaks down all the time. The G92 was really good for track days (benchmarks), but when it comes to ownership and convenience, I'll take a 8800GTX.

Also, if you've looked in the news section, the G92 GTS outperforms 9800GTX clock for clock, so basically the 9800GTX is a bit pointless. If the guy has money to spend on 3-way, he's really better off saving for the next architecture instead of buying more into some multi-million corporate scam.
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This seems to be a hot, constant debate here on OCN. Let's iron some of these arguments out.

First and foremost, the 9800 GTX is not an upgrade. It performs right about at the level of an 8800 GTX, if not a tad worse. This is a "GTX" branded card on the high-end of the mid-range for today's standards.

You can find benchmark results from quite a few reputable review sites, but keep in mind that they are using a processor and motherboard that isn't in common usage yet, such as the QX9650, so their results are a bit above what most of us will experience.

These reputable sites also tend to stack quite a list of games for their reviews, and consistent results are hard to come by. All games are optimized differently, so your results will always vary in the sense that sometimes the 3870 X2 or the 8800 Ultra will come out on top, leaving the 9800 GTX in 2nd or even third place.

Keep in mind the price. This should be a clear indication of what you are dealing with. For a long time the 8800 GTX stood firm at about $550, and we were all so very satisfied by its performance. The 9800 GTX is a humble $330. I paid $350 for my 8800 GTS 512 when it came out, and, well, look at my sig. You are looking at 3 elements: the depreciated value of a monster video card that has been, for the most part, overcome by the GTS 512, the GTS 512 causing this rapid depreciation, and the 9800 GTX performing in between the GTS 512 and the 8800 GTX. The price is very fitting. No need to upgrade to the 9800 GTX from a GTS 512, if anyone is considering this move. They are pretty much on in the same in terms of performance. Again, every game is handled differently, so results fluctuate from game to game.

Though it is not a topic in this thread, it is worth repeating. The 9800 GX2 is in fact a good upgrade from even an 8800 Ultra. I haven't seen any results for a single GX2 vs 2 Ultras in SLI, so I can't say how far the GX2 goes but I can confidently assume that a single GX2 can beat an Ultra SLI setup. By how much, I can't be certain but I'm sure it's possible, if not close. Cool thing about that is you don't have to have an SLI motherboard, you don't have to have a PSU with 4 6-pin connectors, and you leave room in your case for airflow. As most know, SLI is a bit of a silly concept, seeing as the scaling is just awful and you still have to pay 2x as much for a 20% increase. Also consider that 2 8800 Ultras would cost you about $800, whereas a single GX2 is less than $600. Price/performance ratio is apparent here.

Oh yeah I know this is a long post but I am compelled to share my opinion. Ok, there's another part of the picture to look at and that's the raw numbers. Some look at the specs of a GX2 and say "wait, it's 512mb x 2 on a 256-bit bus?". Well, it would seem that these numbers aren't a clear indication of performance. Look at the numbers that the 3870 X2 boast and it still falls short. Bottom line here is to check out the multiple benchmarks available to get an idea of what sort of performance it offers.

Be advised, the 9800 cards are going to replaced this year by the 9900 GTX and GX2, with completely new cores. Those will undoubtedly bring some serious gaming results, and we are all anxious to see how they stack up against the current, controversial 9800 GTX and GX2.
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This seems to be a hot, constant debate here on OCN. Let's iron some of these arguments out.

First and foremost, the 9800 GTX is not an upgrade. It performs right about at the level of an 8800 GTX, if not a tad worse. This is a "GTX" branded card on the high-end of the mid-range for today's standards.

You can find benchmark results from quite a few reputable review sites, but keep in mind that they are using a processor and motherboard that isn't in common usage yet, such as the QX9650, so their results are a bit above what most of us will experience.

These reputable sites also tend to stack quite a list of games for their reviews, and consistent results are hard to come by. All games are optimized differently, so your results will always vary in the sense that sometimes the 3870 X2 or the 8800 Ultra will come out on top, leaving the 9800 GTX in 2nd or even third place.

Keep in mind the price. This should be a clear indication of what you are dealing with. For a long time the 8800 GTX stood firm at about $550, and we were all so very satisfied by its performance. The 9800 GTX is a humble $330. I paid $350 for my 8800 GTS 512 when it came out, and, well, look at my sig. You are looking at 3 elements: the depreciated value of a monster video card that has been, for the most part, overcome by the GTS 512, the GTS 512 causing this rapid depreciation, and the 9800 GTX performing in between the GTS 512 and the 8800 GTX. The price is very fitting. No need to upgrade to the 9800 GTX from a GTS 512, if anyone is considering this move. They are pretty much on in the same in terms of performance. Again, every game is handled differently, so results fluctuate from game to game.

Though it is not a topic in this forum, it is worth repeating. The 9800 GX2 is in fact a good upgrade from even an 8800 Ultra. I haven't seen any results for a single GX2 vs 2 Ultras in SLI, so I can't say how far the GX2 goes but I can confidently assume that a single GX2 can beat an Ultra SLI setup. By how much, I can't be certain but I'm sure it's possible, if not close. Cool thing about that is you don't have to have an SLI motherboard, you don't have to have a PSU with 4 6-pin connectors, and you leave room in your case for airflow. As most know, SLI is a bit of a silly concept, seeing as the scaling is just awful and you still have to pay 2x as much for a 20% increase. Also consider that 2 8800 Ultras would cost you about $800, whereas a single GX2 is less than $600. Price/performance ratio is apparent here.

Oh yeah I know this is a long post but I am compelled to share my opinion. Ok, there's another part of the picture to look at and that's the raw numbers. Some look at the specs of a GX2 and say "wait, it's 512mb x 2 on a 256-bit bus?". Well, it would seem that these numbers aren't a clear indication of performance. Look at the numbers that the 3870 X2 boast and it still falls short. Bottom line here is to check out the multiple benchmarks available to get an idea of what sort of performance it offers.

Be advised, the 9800 cards are going to replaced this year by the 9900 GTX and GX2, with completely new cores. Those will undoubtedly bring some serious gaming results, and we are all anxious to see how they stack up against the current, controversial 9800 GTX and GX2.
That was a pretty good read there, but some of us want the highest performance.. allways may it cost you (6400kr/1070 USD for a 8800GTX at release), but some want it, though SLi is allways not quite the right way in price performance I'll go for it soon.
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