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Yeah, a subscription-based OS sounds like a bad idea.
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He probably got it free as a student or a as staff in a organization such as a big company, schools, or Universities. Some Universities even give free hardware. They also have the best versions. Like they won't use home basic or home premium. All of them are Ultimate xD. Staff also get free laptops and they can practically change every few months. Well at least my parents do.
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How can it be legit if it's free? How did you get it for free, and how can I get it for free and still have it be legit?
I signed up to a developer program on the Net, can't remember what it was called and didn't really care apart from the fact of free Vista which has actually turned out to be a waste of time as I don't use Vista. They closed the sign up within a few days as there were lots of people taking advantage like me. These free Vista offers come up quite alot but are soon closed, you just have to know where to look (and I'm not talking torrent/illegal).

Like my previous post said I will be "FORCED" to downgrade to Vista if BF3 is Vista only.
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Although i agree with Enterprise about the fresh start, they could lose a lot of their userbase by this move.

EDIT: If they manage to succesfully run the previous versions of Windows via virtual machines, it should be ok I guess.
I totally agree that a new groundwork will benefit performance and functionality. I'm sure you can still run virtual machines and have older programs run in there. Plus, MS could build in some virtualization as well I think that might make it possible. Who knows?
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I signed up to a developer program on the Net, can't remember what it was called and didn't really care apart from the fact of free Vista which has actually turned out to be a waste of time as I don't use Vista. They closed the sign up within a few days as there were lots of people taking advantage like me. These free Vista offers come up quite alot but are soon closed, you just have to know where to look (and I'm not talking torrent/illegal).

Like my previous post said I will be "FORCED" to downgrade to Vista if BF3 is Vista only.
Oh, you cheater.

What is BF3?
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Really I am wonder how rumours starts and how insanely fast they spread? As for the subscription based okay if this is true then Microsoft are really trying to lose their competitive marketshare.
When Microsoft was asked about it their reply was "We're considering it." In some ways it makes sense, it would mean that there would be a much lower amount of fraudulant copies of Windows, but as the end-user myself I am really not fond of the idea. I suppose it will depend on how much they charge more than anything.
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Pay as you go SW has been Bill Gates wet dream for at least ten years. He was babbling about it incoherently since "Longhorn"

It's part of the MS plan for world domination...not joking.

Ideally MS wants to eliminate the Personal in Personal Computer...and have us all connect to servers on a monthly basis through the equivalent of Dummy terminals. And tghat is just one small facet of the overall Jihad against the PC...they also want to dominate ecommerce by taking out PayPal and Google with their MS Marketplace...

You might think I am full of BS but these are long term plans, part of the Gate's vision and legacy that MS carries forward. The man is all about money...not personal computing...that's just a vehicle to get us onboard...onboard the MS money train...
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Pay as you go SW has been Bill Gates wet dream for at least ten years. He was babbling about it incoherently since "Longhorn"

It's part of the MS plan for world domination...not joking.

Ideally MS wants to eliminate the Personal in Personal Computer...and have us all connect to servers on a monthly basis through the equivalent of Dummy terminals. And tghat is just one small facet of the overall Jihad against the PC...they also want to dominate ecommerce by taking out PayPal and Google with their MS Marketplace...

You might think I am full of BS but these are long term plans, part of the Gate's vision and legacy that MS carries forward. The man is all about money...not personal computing...that's just a vehicle to get us onboard...onboard the MS money train...
This is a part of the reason why I did not upgrade to Vista. To me, Vista is bait, and I'm not biting. I don't care how pretty it looks (why else would they make it so appealing?? Come on!) XP was just the beginning, and I took that bait. But I had to. I was sick of Win98. XP works far better for me than Windows 95/98 ever could have. I love XP, and I'm not budging unless I am forced to.

I'm sorry, but if they go with subscriptions, then I'm going with Linux as my next OS, should I ever upgrade.
post #19 of 100
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Although i agree with Enterprise about the fresh start, they could lose a lot of their userbase by this move.
Not the userbase they care most about: business. Given XP's imminent desupport and the violent rejection of Vista, all Microsoft needs to do is get a good product out the door and businesses will incorporate it into their next refresh cycle. Especially with the whole MinWin of Windows 7 and modularity concepts of Server 2008; IT can really harden desktops a lot more than they can today with those kinds of tools. Makes it a huge value proposition.

And for app backwards compatibility, we just don't care. Any smart business has a software maintenance plan (Microsoft's is Software Assurance) that includes at-will upgrades anyway. We'll upgrade the upgraded desktops with upgraded software, no big deal.

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If Windows 7 will be subscription based then you can count me out. I do not like the idea of that.
Again, think business. Subscription models make a lot of sense for business. Cheaper annual costs, and very predictable costs for budgeting. Software Assurance is included, so you can run any version of the software you want. As long as you're upgrading every four years or so, a subscription model makes a lot of sense with Microsoft software. So you don't own a perpetual software license...who cares? If I don't have an employee using that license, it's money I paid up front going to waste now!

I get that you guys are coming from a personal, enthusiast user perspective. But don't think for a minute that Microsoft considers that position to be even remotely as important as the business perspective. They pay lip service to enthusiasts because they have to for PR reasons. But that's not what makes them money...business customers make them money.
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Not the userbase they care most about: business. Given XP's imminent desupport and the violent rejection of Vista, all Microsoft needs to do is get a good product out the door and businesses will incorporate it into their next refresh cycle. Especially with the whole MinWin of Windows 7 and modularity concepts of Server 2008; IT can really harden desktops a lot more than they can today with those kinds of tools. Makes it a huge value proposition.

And for app backwards compatibility, we just don't care. Any smart business has a software maintenance plan (Microsoft's is Software Assurance) that includes at-will upgrades anyway. We'll upgrade the upgraded desktops with upgraded software, no big deal.



Again, think business. Subscription models make a lot of sense for business. Cheaper annual costs, and very predictable costs for budgeting. Software Assurance is included, so you can run any version of the software you want. As long as you're upgrading every four years or so, a subscription model makes a lot of sense with Microsoft software. So you don't own a perpetual software license...who cares? If I don't have an employee using that license, it's money I paid up front going to waste now!

I get that you guys are coming from a personal, enthusiast user perspective. But don't think for a minute that Microsoft considers that position to be even remotely as important as the business perspective. They pay lip service to enthusiasts because they have to for PR reasons. But that's not what makes them money...business customers make them money.
And this is why so many intelligent consumers like us hate Microsoft (for I know of people who don't know any better, and they think Microsoft is awesome). They simply do not care about us, and we know it. But for people like me, I have to grin and bear it because I happen to like WinXP, and I don't like the idea of switching to Linux.
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