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Going to have to disagree with you here. Without ATI, where would their platform and offerings be? They would be relying on Nvidia. AMD can stand on their own feet for once and be nearly self sufficient. The ATI purchase was a good thing, as their graphics cards have sold well recently.
ATI is only worth about 1/3 of what AMD purchased them for. It was a horrible move.
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If this move helps them, then it might be a good move for them. However, if they only cut 10% of the lowest paid, highest producing employees, they are only going to shoot themselves in the foot. If they really want to save money, why not cut some of the salaries of the highest paid employees? Laying off is never good for those who get laid off and for the company who lose valuable skill and knowledge. If the highest paid people take a pay cut, I'm sure they'll still be able to pay off their yachts and summer lodges.
    
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If this move helps them, then it might be a good move for them. However, if they only cut 10% of the lowest paid, highest producing employees, they are only going to shoot themselves in the foot. If they really want to save money, why not cut some of the salaries of the highest paid employees? Laying off is never good for those who get laid off and for the company who lose valuable skill and knowledge. If the highest paid people take a pay cut, I'm sure they'll still be able to pay off their yachts and summer lodges.
I agree with this almost completely. The average CEO gets something like 400x more than the average employee. if you cut the salaries of the upper 1/4 of the company by 5% or don't give them their raise for the next year they could cut costs drastically and still keep a lot of employees, but if those employees aren't doing their job go ahead and cut them, just along for the ride dragging the company down.

This goes for ALL corporations, not just AMD/ATI

EDIT: cuts are also a way for them to almost instantly increase their stock price, but that gets into some econ i don't really want to take the time to explain/talk about
post #14 of 22
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Going to have to disagree with you here. Without ATI, where would their platform and offerings be? They would be relying on Nvidia. AMD can stand on their own feet for once and be nearly self sufficient. The ATI purchase was a good thing, as their graphics cards have sold well recently.
Who needs a platform? AMD, ATI, nVidia and Intel all did very well making their own parts, and the platform consisted of a mixture of parts from these vendors. Sometimes, things are better left as they are. ATI may be doing better than they did around the release of the 2900XT, but certainly not as good as they were doing during the X1900 era as an independent company. I would have had no problem if AMD had bought ATI and left them to their own thing, like OCZ did with PC Power & Cooling. But no, they had to lay off a fair portion of their design team, cut costs everywhere, and hinder GPU development. Look at the disaster the 2900XT was. And now the GPU market has stagnated, and instead of getting any real new GPUs, we are just getting die shrinks (G80 --> G92/R600 --> RV670) and cards with two GPUs slapped together (8800GX2, 3870X2).

If the RV770 doesn't deliver, we may have to wait for Intel to put some spark back into the GPU market. I don't have anything against ATI or AMD, I just think the timing and decisions made were very poor. I really would like to see ATI produce something of the caliber that the X1900 series was again.
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post #15 of 22
How about the CEO takes a paycut.
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post #16 of 22
lol I'm getting a c2d for my next proc. I'm still keeping my ati tho

Also did they fire Ruiz? I hope so, that guy is an idiot >.>
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Firing Ruiz would save the jobs of at least 30 workers who are actually useful, unlike he is. Sad to think that Intel's CEO gets paid less than half what he does.
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post #18 of 22
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Firing Ruiz would save the jobs of at least 30 workers who are actually useful, unlike he is. Sad to think that Intel's CEO gets paid less than half what he does.
and runs a company 10 times as large and indefinitely more profitable
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post #19 of 22
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Who needs a platform? AMD, ATI, nVidia and Intel all did very well making their own parts, and the platform consisted of a mixture of parts from these vendors. Sometimes, things are better left as they are. ATI may be doing better than they did around the release of the 2900XT, but certainly not as good as they were doing during the X1900 era as an independent company. I would have had no problem if AMD had bought ATI and left them to their own thing, like OCZ did with PC Power & Cooling. But no, they had to lay off a fair portion of their design team, cut costs everywhere, and hinder GPU development. Look at the disaster the 2900XT was. And now the GPU market has stagnated, and instead of getting any real new GPUs, we are just getting die shrinks (G80 --> G92/R600 --> RV670) and cards with two GPUs slapped together (8800GX2, 3870X2).

If the RV770 doesn't deliver, we may have to wait for Intel to put some spark back into the GPU market. I don't have anything against ATI or AMD, I just think the timing and decisions made were very poor. I really would like to see ATI produce something of the caliber that the X1900 series was again.
What you fail to see apparently, is Intel has their own platform. This is exactly what AMD shot for as well.

And we are getting new gpu's, they just arnt released yet, at least on ATI's end. The 3870 is 2 gpu's, 9800GX2 is 2 cards slapped together . And whether you like it or not, its a solid solution.
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post #20 of 22
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What you fail to see apparently, is Intel has their own platform. This is exactly what AMD shot for as well.

And we are getting new gpu's, they just arnt released yet, at least on ATI's end. The 3870 is 2 gpu's, 9800GX2 is 2 cards slapped together . And whether you like it or not, its a solid solution.
Intel's "platform" blows. Their integrated graphics are horribly underpowered for any sort of gaming. That may change with Larrabee, but then again Intel actually has the resources to support it. AMD, on the other hand, being a much smaller company, was better off with VIA, nVidia and ATI providing chipsets and graphics. Now, AMD has to stretch what resources they have across chipset development, CPU development and GPU development. This is in addition to the fact that they are in a huge amount of debt and have more expenses than income. Not a good combination. ATI is long overdue on delivering an actual significant leap in GPU tech.
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