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Alright. So I have decided to use the S939 rig then. We will probably be buying This Hard Drive. We are still unsure on the soundcard and are still awaiting more opinions.
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Get the Xonar D2X for your soundcard.

I use it, and I can tell you there's lots of recording stuff to use, like a midi input.

That'll set you back 150, then just get a 500 gig HD, cheap core 2 processor, integrated video, 2 gigs of cheap ddr2 800, and you're set for under 500.
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BTW, Slappa.. did you have Digital Audio Workstation Software in mind? This can bring about a whole host of different options when you talk about sound cards and ram, and CPU vs. Plugin effects.

Being a DJ, i assume you are looking for real-time as opposed to offline effect processing?
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Go for X-fire Music. It sounds great and comes with ASIO drivers. The Auzentech is the best stock sound card right now. I found my old P4 was slow on processing power but the AMD should work great.

I use Reaktor 5 as a VST in Cubase and I can turn all my khz and sample rates up. You want good drivers and processing so you don't get any lag.

If you plan on using guitar and vocals consider the M-box or M-audio Fast Track Pro for an audio interface.
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BTW, Slappa.. did you have Digital Audio Workstation Software in mind? This can bring about a whole host of different options when you talk about sound cards and ram, and CPU vs. Plugin effects.

Being a DJ, i assume you are looking for real-time as opposed to offline effect processing?
Yeah we'll be doing a little bit of both (Will be DJing/Guitars and vocals). What software do you recommend. As you can see I don't know much about the audio side of PCs. Thanks for all the help so far!
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Get the Xonar D2X for your soundcard.
Nice card, but you lack balanced I/O, typical no-no if you're using a decent pair of monitors or going straight to a power amp

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Go for X-fire Music. It sounds great and comes with ASIO drivers. The Auzentech is the best stock sound card right now. I found my old P4 was slow on processing power but the AMD should work great.

I use Reaktor 5 as a VST in Cubase and I can turn all my khz and sample rates up. You want good drivers and processing so you don't get any lag.

If you plan on using guitar and vocals consider the M-box or M-audio Fast Track Pro for an audio interface.
You are correct about the older AMD's being snappier than the P4's. And to address the cache issue posed earlier, the AMD memory architecture made cache less of a big deal than the Intels, it was true yesterday, its still true today.

The x-fi is a nice piece of hardware, but you still have the issue of the clock being on a PCB in the computer, this will affect the word clock, Going for an off-motherboard solution is definitely the way to go IMO.

In regards to the M-Box, if you wanna go pro tools, awesome choice, great software bundles (and pro tools to boot), but you do get locked in to Pro Tools. M-Audio Products now talk to Pro Tools as M-Audio and Digidesign are both owned by Avid now, so maybe look into an M-Audio that talks to pro tools

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Yeah we'll be doing a little bit of both (Will be DJing/Guitars and vocals). What software do you recommend. As you can see I don't know much about the audio side of PCs. Thanks for all the help so far!
I personally would NOT go for Pro Tools if you are Centered towards DJ'ing. Cubase is an excellent choice and is seeing more use as computers get faster and faster, and paying $20K for a Pro Tools HD system to take care of some I/O and effects is becoming less and less required..

The current version is Cubase 4. Cubase LE (the light edition) comes with most of the Presonus interfaces, I'd give that a try, you can always upgrade to a higher version if you enjoy it.. There's also.

Cubase gives you a number of built-in real-time effects, with a ***load of free ones available for download, and many many many professional packages for sale.

You also get the Virtual Instrument platform as well (Steinberg wrote Cubase, and initially made the Virtual Instrument work. Pro Tools and others followed suit here).

With this VSTi interface you can run synths, drumkits, basses, pianos, samplers, and even entire software applications (fruityloops). (or you can make your own synth with the free synthedit for windows)
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Nice card, but you lack balanced I/O, typical no-no if you're using a decent pair of monitors or going straight to a power amp



You are correct about the older AMD's being snappier than the P4's. And to address the cache issue posed earlier, the AMD memory architecture made cache less of a big deal than the Intels, it was true yesterday, its still true today.

The x-fi is a nice piece of hardware, but you still have the issue of the clock being on a PCB in the computer, this will affect the word clock, Going for an off-motherboard solution is definitely the way to go IMO.

In regards to the M-Box, if you wanna go pro tools, awesome choice, great software bundles (and pro tools to boot), but you do get locked in to Pro Tools. M-Audio Products now talk to Pro Tools as M-Audio and Digidesign are both owned by Avid now, so maybe look into an M-Audio that talks to pro tools
Alright, so can you link me to one of these off-mobo solutions.

And also, if i do go for a mobo solution we will probably be choosing between these three cards:
Xonar D2X

AuzenTech X-Fi Prelude

or the

Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series Whats the difference between this and the champion series?


EDIT: What if its like 50/50 Dj/Guitar,vocals,bass stuff like that. I need a software that has the perfect balance.
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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...tem?sku=701346

This is actually a GREAT sound card for $150 (And it ships to Canada!)

I hope that helps
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For your $150 budget, I'd go with something like this from M-Audio:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...2496-main.html

If you can come up with an extra ~$50, then I'd go with this:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_u...e192-main.html

If you can afford more, their Firewire products would work well too.

I'd avoid mainstream cards like the Creative for recording. You're not going to get the quality that you would with M-Audio.

My experience is that sound editing really doesn't take much CPU power and basically no graphics power.

Skimp on:
video card - just get a mobo with onboard video or find a PCI-e card for ~$50
CPU - an e4500 will do you very nicely, especially if you OC (I used to use an AMD 2500+ for sound editing and it worked fine): http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...ufacture=Intel

For the love of all that's holy, don't skimp on:
sound card - get one of the M-Audio cards
hard drive - get a SATA 500gb Seagate or WDC. If you have the money and know-how, get a 2nd one just like it and set it up in Raid-0 for turbo hard drive reading/writing speed
RAM - RAM is cheap these days and your audio program will use plenty of it. Get 2gb

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Alright, so can you link me to one of these off-mobo solutions.

And also, if i do go for a mobo solution we will probably be choosing between these three cards:
Xonar D2X

AuzenTech X-Fi Prelude

or the

Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro Series Whats the difference between this and the champion series?


EDIT: What if its like 50/50 Dj/Guitar,vocals,bass stuff like that. I need a software that has the perfect balance.
For around the $150 price tag, I don't think you can beat the Inspire:

http://presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=7

To buy it, i'd look on Ebay, as a ton of ebay shops sell presonus... I don't know if musiciansfriend or swee****er will do canada..

As for the Creatives, I couldnt answer that question.. I've had a Creative grudge for some time in regards to their so-called 'professional' E-Mu cards. (look like great cards, onboard effects... utter annoyances)

As for the software, I'd still go the Cubase approach, it gives you more freedom in terms of plug-ins and hardware..

I've worked on the A Lot of Pro Tools setups from the $1K Pro Tools LE systems in some radio stations all the way up to Pro Tools HD|2 systems with 48 Ins and Outs. Much of the software functions the same way, if you can use one, you can easily get on the other. But for personal use, I've always, and will always use Cubase. The Price/Feature point beats PT with a sledgehammer and the software is always pushing the edge and keeping our processors on their feet..

As far as workflow, to open a new project, quickly set up a channel and jam away, then slap on some quick EQ and editing, there is nothing faster than Cubase..

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