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I'm assuming Enermax said, "You let us sell in the US and we'll let you sell in China" or something to that effect.
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I'm assuming Enermax said, "You let us sell in the US and we'll let you sell in China" or something to that effect.
Or... we won't help the defendents in your lawsuit if you leave us alone.
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Welcome to world of communism!

If don't believe in patents, then you don't believe individual ownership of products or ideas. Without individual ownership, you are a communist!
Sigh...

Your not getting what I mean, I don't mean get rid of patients for everything, but I mean for simple ideas, they shouldn't patent it, would you like it if you made a way to get dinner made faster, then I changed it and patented it or something, and you couldn't use it anymore without paying me a fee? They should look if it was Ultra that invented it, or just copied and changed it from another form (Which they did) and how exactly can you improve the current form of modular? Ultra have basically said "Anything that has plugs in the PSU to put connectors in is OURS!" So that means unless they get the balls to sell in other country's (And decide to make good PSUs) everywhere they don't sell doesn't have modular, how is this not holding back technology?
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*yawn*

Please read before typing.

Patents exist for a reason. If you do not understand that reasoning, sit and think for a few minutes. None of today's medicine, books, technology, movies, cars, etc would not exist without patents. Why would anyone give away $2-3B developing a drug without a patent? The moment they finish developing it, another company could just copy the formula and sell their version.
As a point of order, books and movies aren't patentable and the patents on the original invention of the methods and apparatus has long since expired, and there were multiple people working on both camera and projector technologies. While book and most reproduction methods for books pre-date patents. The vast majority of medicine research is actually publicly funded. Cars would exist regardless. And most technology would also exist. Its the nature of the beast. The primary purpose of patents is to make the concepts and method public knowledge, though many(most?) patents fail completely in this regard.

There are a lot of arguments around patents and their benefit/detriment to the pace of invention within the world and its much less black and white than you make it out to be. Certainly though the current system has become very broken over the past 100 years with standards for "invention" becoming almost ephemeral. I'm personally a big proponent of patent reform and invalidating whole areas of patents based on their inherent lack of content available to be patented. And don't even get me started on the bizmeth patent BS.
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Welcome to world of communism!

If don't believe in patents, then you don't believe individual ownership of products or ideas. Without individual ownership, you are a communist!
Da Comrade!
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I'd love to see a non-profit organization that allows people to create "open patents." Anyone could use the patented idea/thing without having to face legal issues. And because it is patented, someone else can't try patenting what you've been doing, and then sue you for it.
Anything published or already offered publicly for sale cannot be patented except for the filing grace period (generally 1 year in most countries from first public disclosure of the invention). All you have to do it publish it publicly.
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This is possible.

I found 2 other patents (not by ultra) for modular power supply designs.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=RCw...m=4&dq=6129598
See Figure 3A

http://www.google.com/patents?id=lH0...m=4&dq=5612854
See Figure 4
A lot of this is going to come down to the re-review of the patent and patent application by the USPTO. There certainly is a large swath of prior art out there and if they knew about the PPC PSU and didn't include it in the prior art, it does open up a large whole for invalidation regardless of the specificity of the filed patent.

I'm not nearly convinced that this patent is as lock solid as some others in this forum are. Certainly no in light of several recent patent rulings wrt assumption of validity of a patent and in the areas of obviousness.
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I'm assuming Enermax said, "You let us sell in the US and we'll let you sell in China" or something to that effect.
Probably more along the lines of "do we really want to invalidate each others patents?"
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Sigh...

Your not getting what I mean, I don't mean get rid of patients for everything, but I mean for simple ideas, they shouldn't patent it, would you like it if you made a way to get dinner made faster, then I changed it and patented it or something, and you couldn't use it anymore without paying me a fee? They should look if it was Ultra that invented it, or just copied and changed it from another form (Which they did) and how exactly can you improve the current form of modular? Ultra have basically said "Anything that has plugs in the PSU to put connectors in is OURS!" So that means unless they get the balls to sell in other country's (And decide to make good PSUs) everywhere they don't sell doesn't have modular, how is this not holding back technology?
Legally define "simple ideas".

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As a point of order, books and movies aren't patentable and the patents on the original invention of the methods and apparatus has long since expired, and there were multiple people working on both camera and projector technologies. While book and most reproduction methods for books pre-date patents. The vast majority of medicine research is actually publicly funded. Cars would exist regardless. And most technology would also exist. Its the nature of the beast. The primary purpose of patents is to make the concepts and method public knowledge, though many(most?) patents fail completely in this regard.

There are a lot of arguments around patents and their benefit/detriment to the pace of invention within the world and its much less black and white than you make it out to be. Certainly though the current system has become very broken over the past 100 years with standards for "invention" becoming almost ephemeral. I'm personally a big proponent of patent reform and invalidating whole areas of patents based on their inherent lack of content available to be patented. And don't even get me started on the bizmeth patent BS.
I meant copyright for media. It is the fact that there is ownership protection for ideas or things. I personally am shock at how some other patents get passed though. However, like in all politics or law... it's how the game is played. Ultra so far followed the rules for this suite (to the best of our knowledge) and people bash them. Then a few people just said eliminate patents completely with pausing to think of any ramifications. There definitely are pros and cons to the patent and intellectual rights issue which would go on for a few hundred more threads.

OT: My ex-GF's dad help write the software to early ICBMs.... however, he couldn't get a patent since it was his job for the military and the whole secrecy thing during the Cold War. Could have been a millionare by now...

ats, what is your background in this topic? (just curious)
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I meant copyright for media. It is the fact that there is ownership protection for ideas or things. I personally am shock at how some other patents get passed though. However, like in all politics or law... it's how the game is played. Ultra so far followed the rules for this suite (to the best of our knowledge) and people bash them. Then a few people just said eliminate patents completely with pausing to think of any ramifications. There definitely are pros and cons to the patent and intellectual rights issue which would go on for a few hundred more threads.
I think under what I consider a reasonable patent system given the prior art available, Ultra patent app would be rejected on sight, but right now we don't have anything approaching a reasonable patent system. I agree that eliminating patents all together is going way too far in the other direction, but we certainly need to raise the bar of patentability and raise the bar for what is considered non-obvious.

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OT: My ex-GF's dad help write the software to early ICBMs.... however, he couldn't get a patent since it was his job for the military and the whole secrecy thing during the Cold War. Could have been a millionare by now...
Thats odd, most of the gov/mil/black projects I know of get filed as essentially non-published patents held by the government. I know that most of the nuclear patents from the Manhattan project and the NSA/CIA are/were filed like this.

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ats, what is your background in this topic? (just curious)
I'm in the computer industry (design side, EE/CE work) and have filed and been granted a number of patents and try to follow the public patent cases fairly diligently. www.patentlyo.com is great for this area and keeping abreast of things.

The great number of "frivolous" patents out there concern me greatly as its so easy to file a patent that really doesn't do anything yet can easily be infringed. Can present all types of roadblocks to real invention as it stands now. You can even patent ideas that don't actually work but have a claim or two that will be infringed by something that does work and still get money out of it. Its absurd.

I'm not saying that the Ultra patent is a troll but I get worried whenever a see a continuation from another previous patent and certainly it looks like their prior art list was lacking.

Obviously I'm only ever speaking for myself.
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