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Small people need to start patenting great ideas like this. PPCs should have patented it when they first thought of it.
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There's a lot of misconceptions in this thread so I figure I'll just jump in with my semi-informed opinion.

Firstly, Ultra recieved the patent in 2006, but filed the patent Sept 8, 2004. Secondly, if the makers in question decide to fight the lawsuit, the patent can still be thrown out for a number of reasons, including obviousness. Having a patent granted does not necessarily mean that it will stand up to the court system. Thirdly, we really have no insider info on how modular PSU's came to be. From out perspective, we see a lot of modulars on the market which makes it easy to say that it is a prevalent idea that should not be owned by one particular company. However, it is entirely possible that this idea did originate with Ultra (even if they were not first to market). The market is now flooded with PSU's using their tech, and none of the listed companies licensed the tech from Ultra, so they're protecting their IP. I'm not saying that this is how things happened, but we should not be so quick to judge.

Anyway, I'm holding off my opinion until I see some informed analysis or responses from some of the defendants.
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Originally Posted by iandh View Post
It probably was made out of all aluminum and watercooled.
Are you joking around, or being serious?

The only Koolance PSU I know of was 1200 watts and guess what... water cooled.
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Can someone explain what a "Modular" PSU does? I know what a PSU is, but what makes it modular?

Outputting less energy when possible.
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If what they patented was already out, then no patent should have been granted in the first place, although they certainly could have made a mistake. However, I have no idea what the patent says exactly, nor whether any such product existed before the patent was considered. It sounds like the modular PSU in 2003, for instance, doesn't apply since it wasn't enclosed or something like that, which is apparently different from the patent.

I do think that there are many frivolous law suits, but I also believe that patents are often necessary. I heard someone say that patents prevent progress. However, in some cases, it would be too expensive to develop a new idea, just to have someone else steal your idea. Patents protect inventors from this happening. Imagine you spend millions to invent something, and then someone else who didn't pay a dime copies your design. Without patents there would be no incentive to innovate and thereby foot the bill.

Of course, there may be many patents that aren't really required in this sense, but there may be other good reasons for patents. I'm no expert, but that is just one thing I learned.
    
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Can someone explain what a "Modular" PSU does? I know what a PSU is, but what makes it modular?

Outputting less energy when possible.
It is the cables that are modular. You only need to plug the ones into the powersupply that you need thus the un-needed cables don't take up space in the case.
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Originally Posted by rabidgnome229 View Post
There's a lot of misconceptions in this thread so I figure I'll just jump in with my semi-informed opinion.

Firstly, Ultra recieved the patent in 2006, but filed the patent Sept 8, 2004. Secondly, if the makers in question decide to fight the lawsuit, the patent can still be thrown out for a number of reasons, including obviousness. Having a patent granted does not necessarily mean that it will stand up to the court system. Thirdly, we really have no insider info on how modular PSU's came to be. From out perspective, we see a lot of modulars on the market which makes it easy to say that it is a prevalent idea that should not be owned by one particular company. However, it is entirely possible that this idea did originate with Ultra (even if they were not first to market). The market is now flooded with PSU's using their tech, and none of the listed companies licensed the tech from Ultra, so they're protecting their IP. I'm not saying that this is how things happened, but we should not be so quick to judge.

Anyway, I'm holding off my opinion until I see some informed analysis or responses from some of the defendants.
The first modular PSU to market as far as anybody knows was PPC's modded version in 2003. Funny how Ultra mysteriously came up with "their idea" shortly thereafter in 2004.

If Ultra can't prove with internal documentation and testimony that they had conceived the idea before the first invoiced sale date of a P-PC's unit, or even public mention for that matter... they are going to have a tough time, and all the comments I made about them still stand.

As I already mentioned on the last page, if Ultra proves that the had this in development before P-PC's, then I retract everything I've said so far regarding their business ethics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhahahaha View Post
It sounds like the modular PSU in 2003, for instance, doesn't apply since it wasn't enclosed or something like that, which is apparently different from the patent.
The only difference was that the plastic cable jacks were screwed to the outside of the sheetmetal instead of the inside.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muhahahaha View Post
Patents protect inventors from this happening.
Well, that is what they were originally intended to do. They also allow companies and individuals to steal others ideas and collect undeserved royalties by force.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mootsfox View Post
Are you joking around, or being serious?

The only Koolance PSU I know of was 1200 watts and guess what... water cooled.
I was joking.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Liability View Post
To hell with patents, intellectual property, and all such nonsense. All they do is hinder advancement.
Do you work/live in China? This statement could not be further from the truth.
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Ultra should have said something about this long before more companies started releasing modular PSU's rather than let the list get larger and get the pot bigger before "cashing in". If all these companies have patent lawyers dont you think they already knew about this and found a "variation" of this modular idea and thats whats letting them legally produce their PSU's. I dont think Ultra has a case IMO.

Edit: Got bored and typed in the next patent in order from that google link. It's a patent from Intel.
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From what I see, the Performance PC modded PSU is more like a PSU with interchangeable cable extensions. Ultra was the first to make EVERY cable removable completely from the PSU.
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