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Welcome to Law 101.
wow duckie.. stole the words and lulz right out of my mouth....

SO RIGHT
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Originally Posted by jonnyGURU View Post
I agree that there's a lot of misconceptions in this thead. DuckieHo and rabidgnome have their facts pretty straight though.

The patent was applied for in 2004.

It was awarded in 2006.

In between, it was up to Ultra to prove to the patent office that there was no prior art, meaning that they had to prove that they were in fact the first to make modular power supplies as we know them today.

Performance-PC's did do an approach to the "modular" idea first, but it's a different concept and one that can not be patented. Performance's modular concept is nothing more than shorter cables that are lengthened as needed. Since the patent office can essentially look at a Performance-PC unit as nothing more than a PSU with short cables, there's nothing to patent.

What Ultra patented is the modular interface on the housing. Yeah, you can get around that patent by not having the modular interface on the housing, but how marketable is that? There's a reason that EVERYONE did modular power supplies after Ultra made the first X-Connect. It looked sweet and people liked it. On that same note: Performance-PC's modular power supplies DO NOT infringe on Ultra's patent.

After Ultra received their patent, they asked everyone currerntly making modular power supplies to pay a licensing fee. I don't know who agreed to a fee, if anyone, but the list in the OP is a list of companies that chose NOT to pay the fee (I noticed Enermax is missing for example, so maybe they decided to pay the fee?).

In summary: It's not like Ultra patented something that already existed and then sprung a lawsuit on a bunch of power supply companies. Make sure you get all of the facts before you jump on the dog pile. The facts are out there. Read the patent, the press releases after the received the patent, phone a friend....
Thanks Johnny

I also noticed that neither Hiper nor Kingwin was on that list. I'm sure there are more companies with modular PSUs that are not being sued as well.
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go ultra...(been a fan since they began)
lol.


but yeah i see not paying a fee is trouble. so yeah.
    
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Yeah. It may be safe to assume that there's a number of people not on that list because either:

A. They paid the licensing fee.

or...

B. They couldn't figure out who at the company to notify about the patent and licensing fee (because they may only have an office in Asia, etc.) and you can't just out of the blue sue someone for patent infringement if you haven't made them aware of the patent in the first place.

In Hiper's case, I think they might have ceased and desisted because if you look at all of their "Mark II" product... none of it is modular.
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Maybe if they make some money off this, they can improve the quality of their lower end power supplies. I personally had 2 ultra x-connects catch fire a few years back.

Their high end models are built by decent manufacturers but their lower end stuff is still crap. HardOCP and Anandtech recently tested a couple of their lower end models and were not impressed...
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Maybe if they make some money off this, they can improve the quality of their lower end power supplies. I personally had 2 ultra x-connects catch fire a few years back.
If they could just make enough money off of licensing the patent to people, they wouldn't have to make power supplies at all! Lower overhead, that's for sure!

Think about it. You sell a power supply retail for $100. Of that, Ultra is probably making $15 or $20. That's not including overhead like office space, warehousing, shipping, sales commissions, etc. License the patent for $5 a pop to companies that end up selling 10x the product you could ever produce and market and you're in for over double what you were making before with 1/5th the overhead expensive. Brilliant!
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I wonder how much they were asking for liscensing it? A crapload of companies seem to have ignored them, maybe they wanted alot?
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I'm sorry, but the location of the plugs on P-PC's version does not make their version somehow non-modular.

I'll admit that I haven't read the patent itself, so at this moment I do not know how much Ultra's patent focused on that fact. I'll probably read it later tonight.

What I do know, is that when I mentioned this to my boss, who happens to hold three "legit" patents, two of which have been successfully defended in court, and explained to him the difference in the two PSU's... he basically said "Good luck Ultra!"

As I said before, we are currently pushing a patent for one of our products, and the "connectors in/connectors out" argument is chicken scratch compared to some of the points that we've succesfully contested so far in our efforts. My company is playing with the big dogs here... Northrop Grumman, LM, ONR, APL, JPL... not some 2-bit electronics manufacturer. From what I've seen so far in my experience with patent litigation, the "Short cables" argument very well may not hold water.
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I'm sorry, but the location of the plugs on P-PC's version does not make their version somehow non-modular.

I'll admit that I haven't read the patent itself, so at this moment I do not know how much Ultra's patent focused on that fact. I'll probably read it later tonight.

What I do know, is that when I mentioned this to my boss, who happens to hold three "legit" patents, two of which have been successfully defended in court, and explained to him the difference in the two PSU's... he basically said "Good luck Ultra!"

As I said before, we are currently pushing a patent for one of our products, and the "connectors in/connectors out" argument is chicken scratch compared to some of the points that we've succesfully contested so far in our efforts. My company is playing with the big dogs here... Northrop Grumman, LM, ONR, APL, JPL... not some 2-bit electronics manufacturer.
I hope hes right,
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To hell with patents, intellectual property, and all such nonsense. All they do is hinder advancement.
agreed
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