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Originally Posted by iandh View Post
Words.
Oh wait... you said some stuff that's truly quotable....

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I'll admit that I haven't read the patent itself....
Then you shouldn't be commenting.

Seriously. It seems like you didn't even read my post, nevermind the patent.

The Performance-PC's unit is certainly "modular" but it's not modular in the same respect.

Ultra did not patent the "concept" of modularity. They patented the modular interface on the housing. I think that's where you're getting hung up.

The Performance-PC's unit does not have a modular interface. It has what can be perceived as "shorter cables with standard cables that can be lengthened as necessary."

So the Performance-PC's unit is not prior art for the Ultra patent. The Performance-PC's design would not infringe on Ultra's patent if it happened to come out after the fact. The Ultra patent is "legit".

Seriously, read the patent. The scope is actually pretty narrow. For example: Would a redundant power supply not have the same kind of interface a modular power supply uses when it's installed into a chassis? Yes. But the patent narrows the claim more by stating the application of the device.

Seriously, if you're not going to read what you're referencing then you're trolling. At least you admit to not reading it... I'll give you credit there.
post #82 of 249
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I hope hes right,
Curiosity: What company do u work for/?
We're a small company (5 employees) that manufactures optical and electronic components on a small scale, primarily for scientific research. A widget that we make for a completely different application happened to work very well to replace a certain technology used by branches of the armed forces worldwide.

Several large entities have taken us under their wing, and are trying to push this widget through the patent office before any of the other large entities notice.


On a side note, Jonny, I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong, but this may not be quite as black and white as you think it is.
post #83 of 249
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Originally Posted by iandh View Post
On a side note, Jonny, I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong, but this may not be quite as black and white as you think it is.
It's not black and white. Never said it was. READ THE PATENT. I have. Our lawyers have. I have to read it because I'm in the industry and have to protect MY employer from getting SUED. Prior art is referenced and what is actually patented is clearly stated with a narrow claim.

Performance-PC's modular power supply is not prior art for this patent. Antec's NeoPower, Thermaltake's Toughpower, Corsair's HX Series, etc. all came out AFTER this patent was applied for and all have a modular INTERFACE. They infringe on the patent.
post #84 of 249
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Oh wait... you said some stuff that's truly quotable....you're trolling. At least you admit to not reading it... I'll give you credit there.
Don't try to get snappy with me... I didn't show you any disrespect in my previous post, nor should you show me any.

If you check the first page of this thread, I already mentioned that based on another posters logic... all the other PSU manu's would have to do to avoid patent infringement was to place their connnectors on little dongles.

edit: I beleive it was something along the lines of "Guess we'll be seeing lots of ugly modular PSU's then..."

Maybe YOU should try reading a bit more before YOU comment.
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I don't know, to me it's kind of like the difference between an outlet and an extension cord.
post #86 of 249
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Don't try to get snappy with me... if you check the first page of this thread, long before you were involved in it btw, I already mentioned that based on another posters logic... all the other PSU manu's would have to do to avoid patent infringement was to place their connnectors on little dongles.


May YOU should try reading.
I did. And in my first post I addressed that as well.

LIKE I SAID... That WOULD get around the patent. But it comes down to marketability. If putting the modular interface on a dongle or just shortening the cables a la Performance-PC's was ultimately the more marketable idea, everyone would have done that instead.

Instead, Performance-PC's had a good idea that was easy for them to implement (someone as small as Performance-PC's, bless Hank for all his hard work, can't really get involved in investing in tooling costs, UL certification, etc.). Ultra took that idea, knowingly or not, and improved upon it by investing in R&D, tooling costs, UL listing, etc. and made something they could patent... so they did.

Now everyone has copied THAT design... not Hank's (well... b-Tarantula did, but that's not exactly a popular unit) and decided NOT to pay the licensing fee... they're getting sued. Oh well... I wish all involved the best of luck and will selfishly admit that I hope this all blows over very quickly.

And I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm getting snippy.
post #87 of 249
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We're a small company (5 employees) that manufactures optical and electronic components on a small scale, primarily for scientific research. A widget that we make for a completely different application happened to work very well to replace a certain technology used by branches of the armed forces worldwide.

Several large entities have taken us under their wing, and are trying to push this widget through the patent office before any of the other large entities notice.


On a side note, Jonny, I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong, but this may not be quite as black and white as you think it is.
Interesting, Good luck with that, i hope it goes through fine
    
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post #88 of 249
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I did. And in my first post I addressed that as well.

LIKE I SAID... That WOULD get around the patent. But it comes down to marketability. If putting the modular interface on a dongle or just shortening the cables a la Performance-PC's was ultimately the more marketable idea, everyone would have done that instead.

Instead, Performance-PC's had a good idea that was easy for them to implement (someone as small as Performance-PC's, bless Hank for all his hard work, can't really get involved in investing in tooling costs, UL certification, etc.). Ultra took that idea, knowingly or not, and improved upon it by investing in R&D, tooling costs, UL listing, etc. and made something they could patent.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm getting snippy, but I can't help but to feel like I'm just reiterating the same information over and over.
Cool cool, group hug. Shake hands...

Everything you said is very valid. I was just trying to say that this could be argued either way.


Also, to support your argument, patents have been issued a great many times on an improvement to an idea, rather than an original idea itself.
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Also, to support your argument, patents have been issued a great many times on an improvement to an idea, rather than an original idea itself.
Absolutely. I've seen many patents where they actually reference prior art and then say, "this is an improvement to this concept, etc."

If you're willing to pay a licensing fee for using a patented idea and then improve on that idea, absolutely you can then even patent the improvement.
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They DID NOT invent the modular PSU. See my post above... Performance-PCS was selling modular-modded PSU's in 2003, Ultra's patent was awarded in 2006.
A patent can take years to get through the system. They don't happen over night, the real date that should be looked at is the date it was submitted. It's the law guys, Ultra has the patent, too bad. Welcome to the real world.
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