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Heres my Question, I am running Vista 32, and I currently have 4x1024 OCZ XTC DDR2 800, its known for good OC.

Im having issues OCing it and wondering if taking 1 stick out (since its not being used) would help?

heres my current progress....

I m trying OC it to 450x2 or 900, Ive set my voltage to 2.0-2.3, loosend my timings to 5...

My Mobo is linked with option of 2.0(which works now) and 2.5,3.0 etc.., so at my FSB right now, 2.0 is 720 Mem, at 2.5 its 900.

900 gives me blue screen as soon as OS loads.

I tried to leave it at 720 and run it at 3-3-3-12, OS doesnt boot, just freezes up...

Now ive seen many ppl hit 1000 with 2 sticks, and also seen timings of 3.

Any help would be greatly appreciated..
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4 sticks hurts the ability to OC. More so with AMD than Intel (due to AMD's onboard memory controller), but can still be a problem. Try it with 2 first and see how it will do.
3 will not hurt as much as 4, but you will loose dual channel, which does make a difference.

I had to go from 2.85ghz and 4-4-4-10 1T timings with 2x1 gigs to 2.4ghz and 5-5-5-23 2T with my current 4x1 gig setup. I am going to get 2x2gigs soon (I am running Vista x64).

I think there is a update that lets Vista x86 use 4 gigs (or is it just see the entire 4 gigs?)
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3 will not hurt as much as 4, but you will loose dual channel, which does make a difference.

I think there is a update that lets Vista x86 use 4 gigs (or is it just see the entire 4 gigs?)
I thought the ram itself was dual channel, not the ammount of ram??

I would assume that 3gig at 720 even would be more efficiant than 2gig at 900?

nooB when it comes to mem OC'n

and SP1 recognizes all 4 gb, but still only uses 3..
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Dual channel has to do with the ability of the RAM to do it, but to run in dual channel, it must be used in pairs. And no, you can not have 1 pair in dual channel and a single stick in single channel. It is all or none.

I have asked a similar question (quantity vs quality) and it comes down to what your doing. The difference between 720 and 900 is not a real huge performance differnce for daily use, but an extra gig or 2 of memory can make a big difference in many daily tasks.
The only real issue is even Vista with superfetch on will rarely (if ever for most users) use anywhere near all 4 gigs.
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Im looking at mostly perormance increase all around, gaming especially. Im going to try OC with 2 gig, see what kinda benchies it renders, compare the diff and go from there.

thanks for your help....

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With gaming, quantity is better (to a point).
From my understanding, the benifits of dual channel outweigh speed increases of having to run 3 sticks single channel at a higher speed, even with the extra gig. So having 4 sticks in dual channel and only using 3 is better than 3 stick in single channel at higher speeds.

The only thing I am still not completly sure on is that is there a noticable difference between 2x1 gigs in dual channel with better speed and tighter timings and 4x1 gigs in dual channel with only 3 being used at lower speeds and looser timings?
In XP, I would say no, but with Vista and the way it manages memory, maybe?

I am still using primarily XP, and notice no real difference with the extra memory (only using 3 of the 4 gigs), and in Vista, I have not been using it long enough to say, and I am still loading programs on it and getting familiar with it. I do know Vista is using ~1.3 to 1.5 gigs right now with 4, where before with 2 it was using ~900mb. XP still uses about 500mb.
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Dual channel is not a property of the memory itself. The motherbaord/chip set has the memory channels. In order to uses them both to double bandwidth, you typically need the same ammount of memory in each channel.

As for speed vs. amount, well, for any given tast their is a minimum amount you need to keep the program from paging information to disk constantly. Once this level of memory is reached, speed becomes more important than quantity. However, if you are below that minimum, no amount of extra memory speed is going to help you.
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post #8 of 10
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I tried pulling two sticks out and OC'n that, but no luck, so it 4x1024 for now.

My mem is linked, and seems to be at a FSB wall between 360-370, so
Im looking at a GA P35-DS3L and 2x2048 DDRII 1066.
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dual channel vs single channel downt increse performance at all run a bench mark with 3 gb and then 4gb and it will be the same
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post #10 of 10
Dual channel = nothing

Using dual channel instead of single channel usually only giver performance in sinthetic benchmarks
No real world gains
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