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NVidia chipset + 4 RAM modules at 1066 + SLI = you may have problems.
Really? I think I am missing soething, the board is rated for 1066MHz, and is practicly made for SLIing.. Yeah 4x1G is probably weak compared to 2x2G, can't afford 4G just now. I'll look into this.

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Also remember, in a year, the 8800GT is going to be completely out of date. SLI also can only scale 50-60% while CrossFire scales 70-95% depending on the game. Instead of getting an SLI board and wasting money on a second card, get one good card and leave it at that!
As for the card and for SLIing. The only card better than this 8800gt that I have found so far is the 9800gtx. The 9800gts costs $330 vs 8800gt at $170. But would the 9800gtx look any less dated in a year? Can I afford $330 right now? How much will the 8800gt come down in price in a year for when I want to drop another one in my comp.

As far as I can tell, the 8800gt is the 'one good card' you suggested. The SLI is just there for a cheap upgrade later on. But then again I am paying a bit extra to get the true SLI board..

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What resolution will you be running at by the way? If it's anything less than 1440x900, your video card sits and does just about nothing, it's all cpu based at lower resolutions.
My resolution is yet to be decided, I will be buyin a new widescreen in a couple months. Perhaps I should make sure it can take a nice high resolution so as not to waste any of my system.
    
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Thanks for that post, by the way, RussianGrimReaper, it's made me think..

So I pulled together a cheaper setup that includes no 'future proofing' at all and less OC ability.

cpu Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 $229 (coulnd not get bundled deal while spending less money)
mobo GA-P35-DS3L $103
ram OCZ Platinum XTC REV.2 PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB $35
gpu EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GT 600MHZ 512MB $169
psu Corsair CMPSU-450VX $66
sub total minus MIR rebates $603
total after shipping/taxes/insurance $688



The sytem I've 'decided' on in post #1 is total $876. This cheaper set up would save me $188.

For comparison, my post #1 set up:
cpu e3110 (or e8400) $209
mobo EVGA Nforce 750I SLI Ftw $194
ram Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 2x1G $79
gpu EVGA E-GEFORCE 8800GT $169
psu Corsair TX750W 750W 60A $85
sub total $736
total $876

So, I am paying $188 for:
-better chip OCing (including more OC headroom in the RAM, and PSU)
-faster RAM
-SLI ability (futureability)
-45NM ability (futureability)

In short, 188 bucks for OC fun, and future proofing which may/may not pan out.
Wonder if I should just go cheap, I could spend the money I saved on the 9800gtx, or more likely just pocket it. I have until tomorrow to decide.
    
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Really? I think I am missing soething, the board is rated for 1066MHz, and is practicly made for SLIing.. Yeah 4x1G is probably weak compared to 2x2G, can't afford 4G just now. I'll look into this.
NVidia chipsets just don't have the same power than Intel chipsets have when running 4 RAM modules, Multi-GPU configurations, and overclocking all at the same time. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it is sometimes as a hassle and won't give the same performance as an Intel board.
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As for the card and for SLIing. The only card better than this 8800gt that I have found so far is the 9800gtx. The 9800gts costs $330 vs 8800gt at $170. But would the 9800gtx look any less dated in a year? Can I afford $330 right now? How much will the 8800gt come down in price in a year for when I want to drop another one in my comp.
You've forgotten about the 8800GTS(G92) 512MB! It's almost identical to the 9800GTX but is cheaper.

I did a little digging and it turns out that the EVGA 750i FTW is an odd board, it WILL overclock as well as a P35 or X38! I don't know how it will perform with 4 RAM modules, SLI, and an overclock though.
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I notice that ram is generally not sold 1x2G. Buying 2G now and 2 later seemed like a good way to putt off a bit of cost, but the whole 4 modual thing has got me concerned.

It's a newer board and there are not a lot of reviews/user posts out there yet. I'll go take another look and see if I can find anything about problems loading this board up. I will be asking a lot out of this board, and for $200 I feel I should be able to. I know I can spend a LOT more on a mobo, but 200 bucks is still a lot to me, and is almost a hundred more than my cheapest option.

As for the 8800gts, hmph, I thought the gts-es were not as good. Period. But this thing, with its' g92 core is doing better? The 8800gt has a different core? *goes to check it out*

10 mins later: Hmm, the gts looks like it is stronger, but only marginally, (some review at tweaktown.com) and I could not find it at a good price (being in Canada might be the thing). Best I found was about $220 after MIR - compared to the gt at $170 after MIR.

Well, preliminary google-ing kinda shows more emotion than facts and testing on the 4x1G vs 2x2G issue.
    
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SLI also can only scale 50-60% while CrossFire scales 70-95% depending on the game.
I don't understand that
     
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SLI = 2 or more nVidea cards
crossfire = 2 or more ATI cards
but you probably knew that

I've looked this up too, when you plop two vid cards in your rig, you don't get something 100% faster/better. As a quick example there are some benchmarking chart that gives the 8800gt a 72 (fps in the game F.E.A.R.) and 8800gt SLI a 128. A 77% increase. (128 - 72 = 56. 56/72 = 77/100. 77% increase).

I havn't looked hard, but I am having a hard time finding a 95% increase for ATI crossfire. Is crossfire really that much better than SLI?
    
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I don't understand that
CrossFire is implemented physically different than SLI, because of that it allows for better communication between cards and better scaling.

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SLI = 2 or more nVidea cards
crossfire = 2 or more ATI cards
but you probably knew that

I've looked this up too, when you plop two vid cards in your rig, you don't get something 100% faster/better. As a quick example there are some benchmarking chart that gives the 8800gt a 72 (fps in the game F.E.A.R.) and 8800gt SLI a 128. A 77% increase. (128 - 72 = 56. 56/72 = 77/100. 77% increase).

I havn't looked hard, but I am having a hard time finding a 95% increase for ATI crossfire. Is crossfire really that much better than SLI?
Check out CF performance in games that are coded well (Supreme Commander being a great example) 95% might be an overstatement, but you get the jist. CrossFire is better than SLI, HOWEVER, on average ATI's cards are inferior to NVidia's at the same price ranges.

The 9800GX2, 9800GTX, 8800GTS 512MB, 8800GT, and 8800GS all use the G92 core. The GT uses the first revision, the GTS is a clone of the GT but with 12 more SPs, the GS is a GT with a smaller interface, and the GX2 is specialty core. The GTX is an overclocked GTS.
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Kiddin me.
GTX is an OCed GTS? Thanks for the education on that.

Anyway, am still thinking on the $188 difference between cheapest, and the 750i ftw + bigger RAM.
    
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I am having a hard time finding RAM with the right micron d9 chipset. This list of RAM chipsets, at http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/ is driving me crazy. Nothing I can find at ncix for sale right now seems to be on that list.

I went to that list in hopes of finding a good chipset on a DDR2 800 chip so I could save some money. Eventually I gave up, was gong crosseyed staring at it, and went back to the 3 8500s below 150 bucks i was looking at. THEN i realised they were all out of stock.


Oh great, heard a rumour that micron is not doing 2G sticks at all anymore. Soa big chunk of the best ram for OCing is only availible in 1G sticks?

I give up for the night, so tired. And I have to order this tomorrow..
    
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Take the easy route and buy Crucial Ballistix 2x2GB DDR2-800.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148183
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