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Originally Posted by pauldovi View Post
AMD's revenue is expected to be down further this quarter. Thus their profit will likely be further in the red. They won't last long before declaring bankruptcy.
Yep. This will mean Intel will increase their prices. Well at least if AMD dies if ATi gets out before then we still have ATi.
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AMD's revenue is expected to be down further this quarter. Thus their profit will likely be further in the red. They won't last long before declaring bankruptcy.
does declaring bankruptcy mean going out of business? last time i checked that was not the case. god forbid that happens but they will still be making processors, chipsets and gpus.
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Finaly some competition.
Not really.
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post #24 of 36
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Yep. This will mean Intel will increase their prices. Well at least if AMD dies if ATi gets out before then we still have ATi.
I don't think Intel will ever raise prices on processors. They may not go down... but they definitely won't go up.
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I don't think Intel will ever raise prices on processors. They may not go down... but they definitely won't go up.
Paul, I respect your opinion quite a bit... but I have to disagree. Intel submits to... and when it can, embraces market pressures. If AMD continues to sputter in producing viable competition to the architectural superiority of Core2 series chips and gets further drubbed by the (in literature at least) advances (like macrofusion) of nehalem; Intel will charge as much as the market will bare.

Perhaps current generation chips will not see their price tag rise, but you can bet that the price will jump when next generation is introduced, and not just proportionally to the introduction of new tech. Supply and demand, they govern the market... and should intel have exclusivity, you can bet they will price accordingly
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why does AMD and ATI sucks so much since 2004
     
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post #27 of 36
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Your not buying the Q9300 if you are looking for a budget chip.
As the lowest end Quad Core CPU in the Yorkfield series, in terms of Quad Core CPU's, yes, you are buying the Q9300 if you are looking for a budget Quad Core chip. Q6600 is of course an option, but it's not a Yorkfield, and doesn't have 1333 FSB.
    
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Yup, so much faster




The only real difference between the two is that OCing a Q6600 only requires a decent HSF, while OCing the Q9300/9450 requires a $300 mobo and $100+ ram...
$300 mobo and $100 ram? Please research first, thanks.

My mobo was $150, my ram was $40.

Notice that the q6600 has a lower score at a 100Mhz higher speed? What about the q5500? It has a higher multiplier. The new 45nms are so much easier to cool. I'm running near 4.0Ghz on a $7 copper HS air-cooling solution, and that is with a bad-batch week that needs higher voltages. If I had a good batch I'd be around 4.2 at this same voltage.
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Wow... those are some pretty disappointing results for the fastest Phenom AMD can offer right now... They need to forget that who spiel about how great monolithic quad-core dies are and start throwing out something that is cheaper and easier to manufacture to generate some revenue. They are probably making way less per chip (die + packaging) than Intel is making for Yorkfields, especially since they have to charge less for the lower performance.
    
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$300 mobo and $100 ram? Please research first, thanks.

My mobo was $150, my ram was $40.

Notice that the q6600 has a lower score at a 100Mhz higher speed? What about the q5500? It has a higher multiplier. The new 45nms are so much easier to cool. I'm running near 4.0Ghz on a $7 copper HS air-cooling solution, and that is with a bad-batch week that needs higher voltages. If I had a good batch I'd be around 4.2 at this same voltage.
Ok, so the 750i is a good motherboard, my point is not every motherboard is stable past 400 FSB, and to get 3.5GHz on the Q9300 it takes 466 FSB, and 437 for the Q9450. The Q6600 reaches that at 388, which is more in the normal range of things.

I'm not knocking the Penryns, I know they are cool and slightly faster, but I'm knocking Intel for intentionally crippling them to the point where the last generation's offering is a better deal.
    
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