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A sold custom phase unit costs about $500-600, sometimes more depending on materials used for construction. There is a reason why even used phase units go for over $600. Basically, we are seeing a phase unit with the quality and effectiveness of w/c kits offered by the likes of Thermaltake. My guess is that the compressor will die first!
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A sold custom phase unit costs about $500-600, sometimes more depending on materials used for construction. There is a reason why even used phase units go for over $600. Basically, we are seeing a phase unit with the quality and effectiveness of w/c kits offered by the likes of Thermaltake. My guess is that the compressor will die first!
A custom waterblock costs $120+ from most machinists.

A production waterblock costs $60.


Most custom phase units have $200-300 in labor, and the builders pay retail for the parts.


In mass production and at wholesale cost for the parts, there is no reason why this couldn't be a decent unit. I'm sure it isn't awesome, but I don't see OCZ selling a unit that will give them a bad name.
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Does that appraisal include the compressor, condenser, pipes, ect?
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Does that appraisal include the compressor, condenser, pipes, ect?
I'm not sure what you are asking?

To clarify my post above, total cost of custom unit is $200-300 labor + $300 and up for parts; parts are often are at retail cost. Also, most custom phase units here in the states include the very high price of American labor, so the units overseas probably cost OCZ $20 each for assembly.

I was just saying that in mass production you could cut both of those numbers (labor+parts) in half or more pretty easily, so an at least semi-decent phase unit at $300 isn't so unbelievable to me.

edit: I'm not saying I necessarily think this thing is the bomb-diggity, just that I believe it is possible for OCZ to sell a decent quality unit at that price considering it was manufactured in China. If it was manufactured in the US counting the large overhead of corporations, union labor, insurance, etc... they'd probably have to sell it for $1500 or something to turn a profit.
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I'm not sure what you are asking?

To clarify my post above, total cost of custom unit is $200-300 labor + $300 and up for parts; parts are often are at retail cost. Also, most custom phase units here in the states include the very high price of American labor, so the units overseas probably cost OCZ $20 each for assembly.

I was just saying that in mass production you could cut both of those numbers (labor+parts) in half or more pretty easily, so an at least semi-decent phase unit at $300 isn't so unbelievable to me.
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Ah i see what you are saying now iandh. Basically, I only read block and labor in your post, did the math, came up with $420 tops for cost, and was wondering if you included the other parts as well or if that is really how much it costs. Now I understand what you are saying and I agree that wholesale prices and mass production will bring the price down quite a bit, but the thing is will OCZ be able to maintain a decent level of performance with parts that cheap for a good amount of time. I would not trust my PC with anything less than solid good parts, so a phase unite being sold at the same price level as retail costs of materials alone makes me a bit leery.
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Ah i see what you are saying now iandh. Basically, I only read block and labor in your post, did the math, came up with $420 tops for cost, and was wondering if you included the other parts as well or if that is really how much it costs. Now I understand what you are saying and I agree that wholesale prices and mass production will bring the price down quite a bit, but the thing is will OCZ be able to maintain a decent level of performance with parts that cheap for a good amount of time. I would not trust my PC with anything less than solid good parts, so a phase unite being sold at the same price level as retail costs of materials alone makes me a bit leery.
I was just using the waterblocks as an example, for instance compare the price of one of fstfreddy's stinger deluxes to a fuzion or apogee gtx. It is less than half as much to mass produce.

I think that everone is so used to seeing $600+ for a phase unit that $300 just looks funny to them. I'm sure it isn't nearly as good as a nice custom unit, but it is probably quite usable.

I guess we will have to wait and see as far as longevity is concerned. I won't be one of the beta testers, I can tell you that for sure.
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