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Wait... A Nvidia die shrink? Souldn't that mean that this product be named 10800GT or something? I'm surprised to hear that it is keeping the 9 series name!
    
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Originally Posted by Cheetos316 View Post
Wait... A Nvidia die shrink? Souldn't that mean that this product be named 10800GT or something? I'm surprised to hear that it is keeping the 9 series name!
It's a die shrink with the same architecture, the architecture is what determines the name, I suppose. When they release a new core (GT200) then it should have a new naming scheme, yet we're still in the 9-series with the GT200. Confusing as balls.
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It's still a rewrapped 8800GT no matter which way you slice it.



Yeah i thought that too.
Oh would you guys drop that already? Too many people keep saying "the 9800 cards are just 8800 GT's or GTS 512's" when in fact they are not. Using a GPU by the same name does not mean they are one in the same. Stop looking at the name so much and pay attention to the numbers. Some of the main differences are:
  • Memory bandwidth. The 9800 GTX and GX2 have greater memory bandwidth than the 8800 GTS 512, being at 128 Gb/s for the GX2 and 70.4 BG/s for the 9800 GTX as opposed to the GTS 512's 62.1 Gb/s.
  • Another difference is throughput. The GTS 512 has a Floating Point Operations Per Second set at 416 Giga FLOPS. The 9800 GX2 is at 768 Giga FLOPS, and the 9800 GTX is at 432 GFLOPS.
  • Another aspect is ROP's or Raster Operators. The GTS and 9800 GTX share this same number at 16 ROP's, but the 9800 GX2 has 32 of them. You could say this is because they are adding 16 from each card, but hey, this is a single overall unit so it does count.
  • And finally the number of texturing units. the GTS 512 stands at 64, the GX2 at a massive 128, and the 9800 GTX at 64. A similarity between the GTS 512 and the GTX, but not enough to call the GTX a GTS 512.

Ok, now I hope somebody pays attention to the details above, because though some characteristics are the same, overall, they are much different and performance is much different. I frankly got tired of people saying that the GX2 was "nothing but 2 GTS 512's sandwiched together" when in fact, the GX2 is the farthest thing from 2 GTS 512's. Far greater performance. A GX2 beats 2 Ultras in SLI, so tell me again how these are "just GTS 512's in one". Ignore those old pre-release benchmark "results", because the performance of the GX2 has long since increased.
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Oh would you guys drop that already? Too many people keep saying "the 9800 cards are just 8800 GT's or GTS 512's" when in fact they are not. Using a GPU by the same name does not mean they are one in the same. Stop looking at the name so much and pay attention to the numbers. Some of the main differences are:
  • Memory bandwidth. The 9800 GTX and GX2 have greater memory bandwidth than the 8800 GTS 512, being at 128 Gb/s for the GX2 and 70.4 BG/s for the 9800 GTX as opposed to the GTS 512's 62.1 Gb/s.
  • Another difference is throughput. The GTS 512 has a Floating Point Operations Per Second set at 416 Giga FLOPS. The 9800 GX2 is at 768 Giga FLOPS, and the 9800 GTX is at 432 GFLOPS.
  • Another aspect is ROP's or Raster Operators. The GTS and 9800 GX2 share this same number at 16 ROP's, but the 9800 GX2 has 32 of them. You could say this is because they are adding 16 from each card, but hey, this is a single overall unit so it does count.
  • And finally the number of texturing units. the GTS 512 stands at 64, the GX2 at a massive 128, and the 9800 GTX at 64. A similarity between the GTS 512 and the GTX, but not enough to call the GTX a GTS 512.

Ok, now I hope somebody pays attention to the details above, because though some characteristics are the same, overall, they are much different and performance is much different. I frankly got tired of people saying that the GX2 was "nothing but 2 GTS 512's sandwiched together" when in fact, the GX2 is the farthest thing from 2 GTS 512's. Far greater performance. A GX2 beats 2 Ultras in SLI, so tell me again how these are "just GTS 512's in one". Ignore those old pre-release benchmark "results", because the performance of the GX2 has long since increased.
I didn't actually know that, thanks for informing me.
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sgtdisturbed47 you actually are one of the few that can think congrats bro
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I'm waiting these to come out so I can buy two of them to SLI. Just got a new mobo and CPU for it and having my BFG 8800GT tide me over for now.
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I'm waiting these to come out so I can buy two of them to SLI. Just got a new mobo and CPU for it and having my BFG 8800GT tide me over for now.
Might now be the best idea, so far GPU-Z screenshots show that they have almost the same performance. And the fact that the 9800GT is still on the G92 core is not promising either.
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  • Memory bandwidth. The 9800 GTX and GX2 have greater memory bandwidth than the 8800 GTS 512, being at 128 Gb/s for the GX2 and 70.4 BG/s for the 9800 GTX as opposed to the GTS 512's 62.1 Gb/s.
The memory bandwidth is directly related to how fast the memory speed is. If you overclock a GTS's memory to the GTX's memory then they will have the same bandwidth.
All of your other points are valid though. I too am getting irritated at people who say that they are the same.
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If they don't stop releasing cards every other week I am going to go down and pimp slap Nvidia's CEO.
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Might now be the best idea, so far GPU-Z screenshots show that they have almost the same performance. And the fact that the 9800GT is still on the G92 core is not promising either.
Any other suggestions? Maybe just buy another same 8800GT and SLI those?
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