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My physical well-being is a direct function of money, so while I was not physically harmed during the interaction, the taking of money from me does harm me. In a court of law, such an action (money taking) is the basis of a tort damages law suit as much as direct physical harm. That is why if you, as a non-Christian company, poison a town with industrial waste, the town's recourse from physical harm is monetary. Our Judeo-Christian derived legal system sees a high degree of interchangeability between money and harm.
It is not "just" money, as any poverty stricken bloke will tell you, especially if he's got children.

My point with the corporation is this: an honest, Christian woman did me monetary harm at the behest of her company; render unto Caesar what is his, eh? This is the feature of our modern age, for those who study their scripture: Wal-Mart is our Caesar. Rome is the mall. And if Caesar sends you a video card, then it was Caesar's to give, as it was Caesar's would take. If you don't get that, I'd rather PM about it.

This is what is often misunderstood about Nietzsche. When Nietzsche said, "God is dead" in the Genealogy of Morals, he did not mean god was literally dead. Nietzsche was a devout Christian in his youth, and prized the categorical imperative above all else, as 5Cheese does. He wrote "God is dead" when he saw that the majority of Christians around him did NOT obey god, and took restocking fees that were morally incorrect, or whatever it was. People saying they were Christian, taking all the protection of Christ, but sinning offensively, living without him in their actions. Wal-Mart does the same thing: they offer a distinctly Christian culture in their products and advertising, and yet they are totally without Christ in their actions and deeds, especially when it comes to MONEY.

What is Caesar's...

Caesar =/= Wall-Mart. Wall-Mart does not foricebly control you, it builds its own empire on laissaiz faire capitalism. Wall-Mart does also not "tax" you as the Roman Empire would. You're getting a product in exchange for a fair price.

A horribly miscalculated metaphor.

Nietzsche obviously was not literal when he said "God is dead", any half-baked, self-proclaimed "philosopher" knows that.

No, his quote:

"""Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."""

Refers to the fall of man and the rise of the Ubermensch, or "god men", hence man begins to negate the idea of God, and Nietzsche sees this as an empirical eventuality (that is essentially now fact).

He wasn't making a moral judgment based on his society, he was speaking of society tasting the fruits of their "murder," and of their newfound societal and "religious" evolution. In many ways, his theory of metaphysical evolution is homologous to Marx's theory of economic revolution/evolution.

In many ways, Nietzsche's existentialist message pangs in one's heart of hearts deeper than any other. Yet, I continue to ask myself how I continue to be Catholic.

If you must know why I can still remain religious, read "The Brothers Karamazov." or "The Power and the Glory"
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So you would have people sending letters for 10cents, and the company/UPS would lose money because it costs them more to pay employees to handle that letter, as well as other expenses.

I edited my above post to help explain something better.
Those weren't definite figures, just given as an example since dollars and dimes are easy to work with.

Instead of having the prices be set at 1lb, 2lb, etc, make it 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, etc. Averages out to the same, without the huge gap.
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Not at all dude! If only everyone stuck by their principles like you, I'll say that!
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Break it into smaller increments. Instead of every pound costing a dollar, for example, make every tenth of a pound cost a dime.
Compared to your system, the current system gives you a good deal on 2.99 lb packages, yet screws you on 2.01 lb packages. Do you see what I'm saying?
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My physical well-being is a direct function of money, so while I was not physically harmed during the interaction, the taking of money from me does harm me. In a court of law, such an action (money taking) is the basis of a tort damages law suit as much as direct physical harm. That is why if you, as a non-Christian company, poison a town with industrial waste, the town's recourse from physical harm is monetary. Our Judeo-Christian derived legal system sees a high degree of interchangeability between money and harm.

It is not "just" money, as any poverty stricken bloke will tell you, especially if he's got children.

My point with the corporation is this: an honest, Christian woman did me monetary harm at the behest of her company; render unto Caesar what is his, eh? This is the feature of our modern age, for those who study their scripture: Wal-Mart is our Caesar. Rome is the mall. And if Caesar sends you a video card, then it was Caesar's to give, as it was Caesar's would take. If you don't get that, I'd rather PM about it.

This is what is often misunderstood about Nietzsche. When Nietzsche said, "God is dead" in the Genealogy of Morals, he did not mean god was literally dead. Nietzsche was a devout Christian in his youth, and prized the categorical imperative above all else, as 5Cheese does. He wrote "God is dead" when he saw that the majority of Christians around him did NOT obey god, and took restocking fees that were morally incorrect, or whatever it was. People saying they were Christian, taking all the protection of Christ, but sinning offensively, living without him in their actions. Wal-Mart does the same thing: they offer a distinctly Christian culture in their products and advertising, and yet they are totally without Christ in their actions and deeds, especially when it comes to MONEY.

What is Caesar's...
All this talk about Christianity -- it literally has nothing to do with the equation. Morality and Religion these days don't have to be synced at all. In fact, it isn't. The simple case of the matter is this: morally speaking, it's wrong to take from others.

I understand you're coming at this from the ordeal where the sales secretary charges you the restocking fee, not too long after praising you for doing the right thing.

But doing the right thing and doing what GOD wants us to do is a totally different can of worms. Anyway, I'm sure even you can realize that corperations don't have any belief in religion. They are not about saving you money. They are about making profit, even if it is marginal or negligible.

Our law isn't Judeo-Christian either, Religion is distinct from law. Just as walmart and eVGA as major corporations are distinct from religion. They have no morals. Yet they claim they believe in the 'right thing to do' or that they believe that you're a good person because GOD thinks its the right thing to do when religion has nothing to do with being moral. It is a value preached by many Religions but being moral isn't being Christian. Christians preach scripture, and encourage what Jesus would do. They set up a specific code of ethics or guidlines for you so that you can lead a good life and go to heaven; Christianity wants you to believe in their religion.

Seems like Religion has ulterior motive. Morality is based on things like righteousness, ethics and has no means to an end. Point being, the two, although commonly fused together, are nothing alike. For example, Religion would look at the situation and say, What would Jesus do. Morality or ethics would say, what are the consequences of my actions? How will I feel afterward. It's completely different.

In fact, you've even made some of these points yourself -- your one main point is, corperations these days say one thing and do the other. Well, we all know that that seems to be the case more often than not these days. I just feel that Religion should be kept out of this one, and his decision should be primarily based on whether or not he feels he should do so, not because of some holy scripture, the new testament, the quran or even the torah.
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Ok guys/gals, it's WAY past time to respect the OP!!! How this got soooooooo far out of hand is wayyy beyond me, BUT I'm bringing the focus back to the original post. Can we please discuss the possibility of 2 video cards being shipped to the OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it will be something other than a card. No idea what though!
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Compared to your system, the current system gives you a good deal on 2.99 lb packages, yet screws you on 2.01 lb packages. Do you see what I'm saying?
Which is why it fails. It shouldn't favor any particular weights.
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Which is why it fails. It shouldn't favor any particular weights.
If you wish to discuss weights and shipping prices, please respect the OP and do it elsewhere! Thank you, in advance, for your cooperation!

Edit: Better yet, I'll personally create a thread for you in "Rants and Raves" entitled, "Shipping Weights and Measures"......gimme 5 seconds and you'll have it!
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This thread was derailed 15 pages ago... Kind of late to say that now.
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Which is why it fails. It shouldn't favor any particular weights.
My point is that you have no way of knowing how they would balance the system if it were set to a system of 10ths of a pound. They might make it so you pay the price that used to get you 1-1.99 lbs shipped but now gets you 1lb shipped and you have to pay more for 1.99.

Hence, as I said in my original post, you aren't necessarily paying more in the current system.
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This thread was derailed 15 pages ago... Kind of late to say that now.
Yeah, really!
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