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OP update. I think this will be the last revision that will support r6/7xx chips (HD2K-HD4K cards). Haven't really tested it yet. Start changing to the open source drivers boys.
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That makes me sad. I moved moved my 4850s over to my linux boxes and they've been awesome with the catalyst drivers. I wonder if they'll do like they did with the previous legacy driver and keep it available for updated distros and kernels?

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The legacy driver has seen no support for kernels and stuff since it was released. It's just there, useless to most users. Confirmed that no HD2K-HD4K support in this driver. 12.4 is the last driver for those cards. We are legacy now. Come the next distro refresh we will all have to move to the open source driver, if you aren't using it already (which I am, and it's heaven).
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The legacy driver has seen no support for kernels and stuff since it was released. It's just there, useless to most users. Confirmed that no HD2K-HD4K support in this driver. 12.4 is the last driver for those cards. We are legacy now. Come the next distro refresh we will all have to move to the open source driver, if you aren't using it already (which I am, and it's heaven).
well damn.
AMD said there will be a new driver coming out in the next month or so for the HD4K, etc. Do you think that will be Windoze exclusive?
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12.6 "beta" has been released for Windows, which apparently is a legacy update. It was released for Linux systems too. Have not tried it, so I can't say up to what kernel and xserver it supports.
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These updates will focus on resolving application specific issues and critical updates.
That gives me some hope for a little more life out of these guys

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Rather than create a thread I figured this is our official 'fglrx discussion thread'

I'm curious what the "overall current stability level" is with these drivers with the 7870 ish cards. Life story below. smile.gif



Back around 2007 I had an ATI 3870HD. The windows drivers sucked. I got so fed up with windows in general and my skill level / needs changed a good bit then, so I decided to jump to linux full time. Back then the fglrx driver sucked even worse. I would get random system lockups about once a week (to the point where even alt+sysrq+b did nothing), chvt never worked, s2ram never worked, and on and on. Suffice to say at the time the fglrx driver should't have even been publicly available. I wasted so much time trying to fix this, but ultimately it was crap code underneath.

So I looked at some nvidia cards, and the nvidia-drivers were worlds ahead. All the stability issues were gone, by and large the nvidia-drivers worked just about as good as the windows versions over in linux. Life was good and I vowed never to run an ATI card again. This is where it gets weird...

Now again my needs have changed, and I need to have a full time windows machine available for others in my household, work ( mad.gif ), and also some testing purposes. I've been using windows guests under KVM, but the graphics performance is a joke. So, now I find that you can pass a full on PCI card to guests and have near bare metal graphics performance. The nvidia cards I have do not support this type of passthrough. I've picked up an ATI 7870 for the guest, and the passthrough works (almost) perfectly with KVM. But, KVM currently has some limitations where if you shutdown the guest with the passthrough card, try to boot it again and your host locks up. rolleyes.gif

The XEN hypervisor does not have this problem. So I'm trying to migrate over to XEN, but of course Murphy is always around the corner, and XEN does not get along with the nvidia-drivers. The dom0 with the nvidia card effectively has 0 3D acceleration. I assume the domU with the ATI card will work fine when I get to that point shortly.

So my options are:
1) use noveau for dom0 (will test, but not really that interested)
2) pick up another 7870 and use fglrx under dom0, which supposedly works fine, well, as good as fglrx normally works. This is really my main question behind making this post.
3) just build a second computer for windows and forget this whole mess

Cliff notes: If I go buy a 7870 for linux usage with fglrx today, will I regret this decision, or will I have pretty good stability?
Edited by lloyd mcclendon - 3/15/13 at 2:51pm
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you didn't say which nvidia you have (not that is very relevant to my answer/question), but couldn't you make another domU for linux, pass nivida to that and use it that way? (and yes, i found forth option)
    
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Nope.. .since as I said the nvidia cards do not support passthrough at all, due to lacking FLR. I have 2x GTX570s ... probably soon to be for sale... As Linus said, "nvidia has been the single worst company we've ever dealt with ... so nvidia, .... you "

Eventually I probably will go in the direction of making dom0 mostly empty and using domU's for everything... but that's not really feasible in the short term. I'm trying not to lose anything on dom0 so I can cutover one thing at a time.

I decided just to try switching around for the 7870 I have and see what happens. It took some hammering to get X to start successfully, as I had to workaround a bug in fglrx + iommu. Not a big deal, luckily it was documented and easy.

The stability so far appears pretty good with fglrx, it has a nicer look than nvidia in some intangible way. It seems that it may be better than nvidia in some areas, but obviously in some other ways it is still worse. But overall it looks like it has progressed tremendously since 2007. smile.gif I have lots more testing to do, but unfortunately the performance is about 30% of the nvidia-drivers - and this is a better card... rolleyes.gif Suspend to ram does not work yet either, perhaps it needs to save/repost etc... But chvt finally works and overall xorg seems quite happy with it smile.gif

So there's a good chance I'll be selling both the nvidia's and going ATI.. I never thought this would happen, it's been quite a strange few weeks.
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Good thing I discovered this thread. Because I am looking to replace my GPU fairly soon.

I've been thinking of going 7950 to replace my current 6850. I've also been looking to going 660 Ti to replace it as well.

Though from what I read, I should probably just stick with AMD.
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