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ok so if factories can OVERCLOCK ram, then how come they cant UNDERCLOCK it?????? like for overclocking purposes only, to eliminate your ram bottleneck.

for example, when my q9450 worked, for 2 days lol, i had it OCd from 2.66ghz-3.6 ghz. my ram was the bottleneck at 900 mhz ocd from 667 mhz. i know ram is now nativity at 800 mhz and can oc upwards of 1200 mhz if u get really good quality ram. my question is, instead of buying really expensive 1200 mhz ram, why cant tou get some factory underclocked ram at like 667 mhz that can run up to 1200 mhz. tat would eliminate almost everyone's ram bottleneck.

so basically if someone can figure out how a factory overclocks their ram, they can actually take whatever ram they have, then underclock it to their desire, then overclock it with their fsb and get higher cpu speeds on a p35 chipset, and others that are locked. like i would have taken my 667 mhz ram and underclocked it to like 200 mhz then OC with my fsb as high as the cpu will go, if i only get like 700 mhz out of it max, i can set the divider for higher ram to my liking.

the only thing i have ever liked about asus mobos is the ram divider feature so the ram can stay Independent from the fsb, meaning your cpu has no bottleneck.

also, my core 2 qaud Q9450 broke on me in 2 days, it took me a day of trying to get it to even work, then it quit in 2 days later. i did overclock it to 3.6 ghz, had a 1.55 v core and the temp was like 40C load...theres NO WAY that that wsnt stable at all. also i was checking to make sure if it wasnt stable, i turned off my pc and popped out the cmos battery because the jumper is underneath my giant 8800 gtx, wat a pain, and my elbo hit pwr button of the computer, the cmos popped out RIGHT THEN, then the battery fell on my tv tuner card and made a spark. im pretty sure that didnt kill the cpu because its acting like the same as it did before i made that error, however, it did kill one of my 1gb stix of ram Q_Q.

if i return my cpu to micro center and say it was defective, which im 98% sure it was, tell them i didnt OC it, it has a 90 day return warrenty if defective, there is no way they can tell i OCd it right?
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1.55v on a 45nm, WOW.

Thats the problem, that is way to much for a 45nm CPU, you fried it.

And, to answer your question, microcenter really has no way to check,
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1.55 on a 45nm.. no wonder it broke dude.

And no they cant tell that you OCed unless theres burn marks.
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Originally Posted by Murlocke View Post
1.55 on a 45nm.. no wonder it broke dude.

And no they cant tell that you OCed unless theres burn marks.
o really, thats why?? DAMN lol. my core 2 e6600 has been running 1.5 v core for like 2 years now lol. its not harmed in any way. i guess they are 2 completley different chips =O. could u suggest a good OCing vcore for Q9450?
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o really, thats why?? DAMN lol. my core 2 e6600 has been running 1.5 v core for like 2 years now lol. its not harmed in any way. i guess they are 2 completley different chips =O. could u suggest a good OCing vcore for Q9450?
Your E6600 is 65nm while the Q9450 is 45nm. The 45nm is more sensitive to volts. You will need to use a way lower voltage, at least keep it under 1.35.
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Thats why I think I went Q6600 myself. Sound way to sensitive for me. I wouldn't give it that many volts but... I am aggressive and I need a chip that I can smack around when I come home. Tell it to take this hot and filthy 1.55vcore and enjoy it!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sistum Id View Post
Thats why I think I went Q6600 myself. Sound way to sensitive for me. I wouldn't give it that many volts but... I am aggressive and I need a chip that I can smack around when I come home. Tell it to take this hot and filthy 1.55vcore and enjoy it!!!
Naughty thought...

But back on topic, thats the same reason why I got a Q6600 instead of an E8400.
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to the first part of your topic your not quite right. ram factories don't overclock or underclock the ram.

all they do is specify what it should run stable at.

IE ram that is listed as 667 ram that can overclock to 1066mhz is the same as ram that is specified to run at 1066mhz.


in an intel system only two things determin what speed your ram runs at your your ram is not one of them. what makes the determination as to what speed your ram runs is the FSB and the divider. the only say the ram has in this is what is the highest speed it can run at and that is mostly determined by what type of chip they use in the ram itself.
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yeah, 45nm is smaller and more delicate. A user should never go above 1.3625v unless they absolutely, positively know what they are doing. At least this is how it is said to be for the e8400. I don't know if it applies to all 45nm chips.

But yeah, 65nm are beefier and therefore they can take that kind of voltage/abuse.


To rx7speed: how can the FSB and the divider be the only things that determine the memory clock speed when I can simply Unlink them, and freely adjust the ram's speed independently of the FSB?

I'm sorry, but I just need a little help understanding.
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well at least with an intel based board that 's the only thing that determines it


nvidia boards I have to admit I don't know much about and will say I forgot those. what my meager understanding though is even unlinked there is still a divider there for ram speeds though when going unlinked but I don't know as I haven't owned one.
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