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http://kotaku.com/381412/kojima-disa...l-gear-solid-4
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"Game-wise, it's pretty close to the original vision: you sneak into the battlefield and can choose whether to do a stealth game or interfere with the battle more directly. But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction.
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I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see.
It's basically Kojima talking about how he feels the game was limited and had to be cut back do to limitations with the PS3.

In no way does to bash his own game or say that the game play, story line, Ect suck or anything like that.

If anything he is saying is true (Which I'm sure it is, He is a very well respected dev.) then I guess once MGS4 comes out we should have a good idea as to the limitations of the PS3s hardware graphically and or other wise.
    
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??????I thought that the cell was supposed to have a surplus of power??????
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We need to lock this thread now, or this is gonna end up badly.

Though as a PS3 fan, this hurts badly.

Good find! +rep
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WTH?!
How can the cell cpu not be enough for this game?!!?!? Like first blueray isn't big enough and now the "most powerful processor in the world" isn't powerful enough for him?
    
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So, you know what this means right....OMG PS3 is just another console.

Like every other console the hardware gets maxed 1-2 years into its lifespan, the rest is just trying to find the little tricks that can make games look better on the system that all developers find.

PS, I love consoles, but I recognize their limitations.
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I think there is some mistranslation, but it seems for the most part he is disappointed with the nvidia rsx, more so then the actual Cell processor, since he seems to be complaining about the amount of graphical detail he wanted to show.
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In no way did I post this to piss of fan boys or start a flame war. I to am a PS3 owner. I am also a very big fan of MGS as a matter of fact the MGS series is by far my favorite of any game series.

But it’s about time some one talked about the limitations of the PS3.

I just hate it when all the fan boys talk about the PS3 (mostly the CELL CPU) and talk about how it’s the next coming of Christ or something. Or how it will take years to truly use its “Full” power. I think it’s about time there ignorance be put to rest.
    
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Originally Posted by jonny1989 View Post
In no way did I post this to piss of fan boys or start a flame war. I to am a PS3 owner. I am also a very big fan of MGS as a matter of fact the MGS series is by far my favorite of any game series.

But it’s about time some one talked about the limitations of the PS3.

I just hate it when all the fan boys talk about the PS3 (mostly the CELL CPU) and talk about how it’s the next coming of Christ or something. Or how it will take years to truly use its “Full†power. I think it’s about time there ignorance be put to rest.
The only limitation he is really going into is about graphics, which are handled by the nvidia RSX processor.

"Game-wise, it's pretty close to the original vision: you sneak into the battlefield and can choose whether to do a stealth game or interfere with the battle more directly. But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction."

He has basically maxed out the RSX, but not the cell processor itself.
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The only limitation he is really going into is about graphics, which are handled by the nvidia RSX processor.

"Game-wise, it's pretty close to the original vision: you sneak into the battlefield and can choose whether to do a stealth game or interfere with the battle more directly. But the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision - to my satisfaction."

He has basically maxed out the RSX, but not the cell processor itself.
Note this section:

"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."

Kojima is either saying that using the Cell engine at its limit still wasn't enough to compensate for the GPU, or that the Cell engine isn't powerful enough despite the GPU. That's something that has to get clarified on.
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"I remember saying three years ago that we wanted to create something revolutionary, but in reality we couldn't really do that because of the CPU. We're using the Cell engine to its limit., actually. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered - we were creating something we couldn't entirely see."

Kojima is either saying that using the Cell engine at its limit still wasn't enough to compensate for the GPU, or that the Cell engine isn't powerful enough despite the GPU. That's something that has to get clarified on.
That statement is so vague, he could just mean the RSX processor, considering the only actual element in the game he is saying he is disappointed with is the graphic side of it. He doesn't specify any cpu related tasks like Ai, physics etc. Cell system could mean the combination of all its parts as well, not the cpu specifically.
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