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Hey guys,

I'll be building a new PC for my apartment I am moving out to in about two months and even though I've only used AMD processors up until now I can't help but realize how much better performing Intel is currently so I've put the following build together.

I'm wanting a computer that will still be very usable for at least the next two years without upgrading since I'll be on a tight budget while attending college. I want a 45nm Quad Core processor that will overclock to at least 3.0GHz on air. With all this in mind I am looking to get the best value for my money and have an upper budget of $820 including shipping for the parts I still need. I already have the hard drives, monitor, operating system, artic silver 5, most of the cables and case for this computer.

I have thought about the Q9300 vs Q9450 but I just can't see the .5 multiplier and a few MB of cache to make a huge difference to me that's worth $70 more. I know the Q9300 can reach 3GHz on air no problem so it should be fine for me needs and a good upgrade from my current computer which I am giving to my parents. I chose the Geforce 9600GT because it seems to be almost as good as the 8800GT and can be had for about $120-$130 after MIR. I definitely am still considering the 8800GT and if it drops below $150 before I buy the graphics card for my computer I probably will go for it instead.

Anyways, here's my wishlist and thanks for the advice!

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/...Number=8917228
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OMG u shud get a much better PSU than that. seriously. that 39.99 PSU is not enough to power an OC'd quad.one thats around $70~80 should do. what OS are u using? monitor?case?
    
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Agreed on the PSU. Spend the extra cash and get a good corsair one.

You could save $28 by getting this g.skill ram that has worse timings: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122
Or you could still save $13 and get this g.skill DDR2 1000 ram for $89 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

And spend a few more dollars and get a SATA dvd drive like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151155

And you need to get yourself a CPU coolers. OEM cpu's don't come with a heatsink and your AC64pro won't fit it.
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OMG u shud get a much better PSU than that. seriously. that 39.99 PSU is not enough to power an OC'd quad.one thats around $70~80 should do. what OS are u using? monitor?case?
The reason I put that PSU in there is it's the one I am using now and it's run great on my current computer. I really don't know a whole lot about power supplies but I know that 2 +12 volt rails are good and that I need one with at least 4 SATA connectors and a pci-e connector.

I have full retail copies of Windows Vista Business x64 and Windows XP Professional so I will either dual-boot or just run Vista. I bought a 22" SCEPTRE X22WG-1080P Monitor from OfficeMax for $171 including tax on sale ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824112009 ) and am going to be receiving a Cooler Master RC-690 Case in the next week or so ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811119137 ).

I will be using a 500GB hard drive partitioned for the OS and then another partition for games. Then I'll be using my 2 Seagate 7200.11 1TB Hard Drives for file storage.

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And spend a few more dollars and get a SATA dvd drive like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151155
I remember last summer when I built this computer SATA dvd burners were pretty much disliked due to compatibility issues or something? I assume this has changed since then. If so can you guys maybe recommend a mobo in my general price range that has 6 sata ports since I'll have 3 hard drives to start with and maybe a 4th one later on if I need more space.

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And you need to get yourself a CPU coolers. OEM cpu's don't come with a heatsink and your AC64pro won't fit it.
I had an Artic Cooler 7 Pro on my wishlist. That's an Intel 775 cooler and pretty highly rated I believe?
post #5 of 23
Your current PSU may still work fine but I won't put the 9600GT and Qual on it. If you have budget, change the PSU to $49.99 Antec earthwatts EA500 with free shipping.
post #6 of 23
- Drop the IDE cable
- Good MoBo for the price
- Look for an 8800GT 512MB. Better than the 9600GT. This XFX card is only $30 more
- Get a MUCH better PSU indeed. Corsair VX 550W is an excellent PSU for not too much money (Personally, I would not spend any less than that)
- The Q6600 is a better CPU in every aspect than the Q9300. If you look around a bit, a good deal can be found.
- I'd get this G.Skill RAM. Cheaper, DDR2 1000, and a reputable brand. Can't go wrong there.
- Do get a SATA DVD burner. IDE is hoplessly outdated.

Otherwise, I agree

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The reason I put that PSU in there is it's the one I am using now and it's run great on my current computer. I really don't know a whole lot about power supplys but I know that 2 +12 volt rails are good and that I need one with at least 4 SATA connectors and a pci-e connector.

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I remember last summer when I built this computer SATA dvd burners were pretty much disliked due to compatiblity issues or something? I assume this has changed since then. If so can you guys maybe recommend a mobo in my general price range that has 6 sata ports since I'll have 3 hard drives to start with and maybe a 4th one later on if I need more space.
Stick with your three drives and the SATA DVD burner. I'd replace a drive when you need the extra space rather than adding one. When that time comes, your current drives will start to show their age, and a replacement will be due anyways. My 250GB data drives are only a few years old, but they already have exceeded their specified number of I/O operations. I am (over)due for replacements.

The statement I bolded is utterly FALSE. The number of rails on a PSU does not matter one bit. It's all about the quality of the unit. There are some pretty darn bad PSUs with two (or more) rails, and some excellent ones with a single rail, and vice versa. Note that multi-rail PSUs weren't invented from a technological point of view; it all merely stated to comply with an EU directive... marketing folks took it from there.
    
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I would recommend a quality 600w psu! These Quads are really powerhungry!!
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yes. G.Skill>GeiL
and you cant do better than a corsair PSU if on a budget. this one should do, for now CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX $60 after MIR, but for future proofing i suggest this one for $30 more , CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX
    
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I would recommend a quality 600w psu! These Quads are really powerhungry!!
No need for 600W per se. The Corsair 550W I linked is likely more powerful than most 600W units on the market ...

My suggested list:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion...tle=just+a+rig

Ok, it's $40 more, but with some shopping around you can save a bit. For example, get the PSU from www.buy.com, and save $15 (not to mention $10.25 in shipping). Also, opting for the DDR2 800 version of that G.Skill RAM will save a bit, basically bringing you back you the price you listed.

Finally, you did indeed pick a cooler, but that one won't really be up to the task for a heavily overclocked Quad. It'll be fine at stock and mild overclocks, but for heavy overclocking you need to at least get a Tuniq Tower or similar.
    
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post #10 of 23
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Thanks for all the replies everyone! I'm still going through them so I'll probably keep editing this post.

So there aren't any issues with SATA DVD Burners not being properly recognized on XP or Vista anymore then? It should work the same for me as an IDE one just a little faster with a smaller cable?

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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
- The Q6600 is a better CPU in every aspect than the Q9300. If you look around a bit, a good deal can be found.
I forgot to add that one of the reasons I want the Q9300 is for SSE 4. I occasionally do video encoding from DVDs I own for computer viewing so I really could use the improvements that SSE 4 offers as well as quad core for encoding.

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- I'd get this G.Skill RAM. Cheaper, DDR2 1000, and a reputable brand. Can't go wrong there.
Is higher speed DDR2 memory with 5-5-5-15 timings faster than DDR2 800 with 4-4-4-12 timings? Also would 1066 not be better than 1000 if the above is true?
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