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Pretty much all of you are coming up with horrible analogies for this situation.

That is all.
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According to MS the only difference between Ultimate and Home Premium is back up software,
Which OSX has.

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Remote Desktop,
Which OSX has.

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and bit locker.
Which OSX has.

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Ultimate just has a few extra bells and whistles.
Which OSX has.

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I re-did it with a 64 bit OS. Happy?
Not really, because you still didn't do an exact comparison like I did. Go to the thread, check out my comparison, then we can talk.

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No I didn't miss the point. You keep saying 40% plan on buying Macs.
You're a joke. I didn't say 40% of college folks plan to buy Macs. I said to check out the thread, where I did close-as-possible, apples-to-apples comparisons between MacBooks and other brands. The thread, like this one, got way off topic, and I got into comparing the prices.

The thread title had nothing to do with it. The comparisons inside it did.

Way to miss the point.

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Actually that is wrong because you can get chevron gas at any chevron, texaco or caltex gas station.
Ok, but the point is that you're still wrong. It doesn't make it a monopoly per se. OSX is not a "market." You're trying to turn it into something it's not.

Is it controlled? Yes. Is it a monopoly? Not at all.
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My Theory, this company wants apple to sue them, then they can take apple on for having a monopoly over their OS. Its almost like microsoft forcing people to use their software, only apple is forcing people to use their hardware.
They made the OS. Complain more..

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I am talking about years ago when they went through all those monopoly trials, before anyone even heard of linux.



Oh, so I can use leopard on my sig rig? I don't have to buy an apple computer to do it, legally?
See above comment..

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Apple does have inflated prices on their desktops. Me and a friend were planning on selling apple desktops on ebay because the hardware was surprisingly cheap. We could make a 2k profit easy without touching Apple's price.
Custom built computer, vs a premade. I wonder whats the better value. However, Apple's selling point with the Imac is its all in one. Apple's selling point with the mac mini is that its mini. The Mac Pro, well thats a workstation to begin with, and compared to other workstations from Dell or HP, its priced accordingly .

As usual, I agree with gunner.

When somebody gets the capability to build something like an iMac thats custom made, please, let me know, until then, stop bashing mac for their price. If its so horrible, why is Apple increasing their market share for computers? I mean, if they are dong that, then there must be too many hip-artsy 24 year olds in the world buying mac's..

(Generic mac user stereotype, go!)
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I am talking about years ago when they went through all those monopoly trials, before anyone even heard of linux.



Oh, so I can use leopard on my sig rig? I don't have to buy an apple computer to do it, legally?
An economic advantage held by one or more persons or companies deriving from the exclusive power to carry on a particular business or trade or to manufacture and sell a particular item, thereby suppressing competition and allowing such persons or companies to raise the price of a product or service substantially above the price that would be established by a free market.

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In a monopoly, one or more persons or companies totally dominates an economic market. Monopolies may exist in a particular industry if a company controls a major natural resource, produces (even at a reasonable price) all of the output of a product or service because of technological superiority (called a natural monopoly), holds a patent on a product or process of production, or is otherwise granted government permission to be the sole producer of a product or service in a given area.
Taken from a legal dictionary website
They would have to control an entire market (in this case, the PC hardware market) in order to constitute as a monopoly. Just because you can't install their OS on different HW doesn't mean that they have a monopoly. They still reserve the right to control the application of their software, and it wouldn't become a monopoly unless they became the only manufacturer of computer hardware and then only allowed their hardware to run the OS......or if they were the only OS developer and only allowed the OS to be installed on Apple hardware.
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An economic advantage held by one or more persons or companies deriving from the exclusive power to carry on a particular business or trade or to manufacture and sell a particular item, thereby suppressing competition and allowing such persons or companies to raise the price of a product or service substantially above the price that would be established by a free market.


Taken from a legal dictionary website
They would have to control an entire market (in this case, the PC hardware market) in order to constitute as a monopoly. Just because you can't install their OS on different HW doesn't mean that they have a monopoly. They still reserve the right to control the application of their software, and it wouldn't become a monopoly unless they became the only manufacturer of computer hardware and then only allowed their hardware to run the OS......or if they were the only OS developer and only allowed the OS to be installed on Apple hardware.
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Technically, I shouldn't be saying it is a monopoly in normal terms, I should say it is a monopoly in the way microsoft was considered a monolopy, because it wasn't truly a monopoly because even then there were other choices to go with, the policians back then just didn't know enough about the stuff.
..

I can see where you are coming from, but history speaks for itself, microsoft was considered a monopoly even when you had other options.
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Do Macs ship with any of that silly third party software? Any bloatware? Any stupid software that you instantly uninstall once you get the computer? Or is it all first party Apple software that essentially costs hundreds of dollars in itselt?
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I'm the only one on this site who knows how to do an actual apples-to-apples comparison when it comes to this topic.
It's not an apples-to-apples comparison if you're comparing apples to PCs!
    
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The complaint is that Apple has a clause in their EULA saying it is illegal for anyone to sell a PC with a Apple OSX pre-installed...you can buy a PC and install Mac on it yourself, or you can sell a PC with OSX bundled, but that puts many users off because they don't know how to, so they'll pay the extra for an Apple.

The reason Apple sells so many PCs is because they are unique - if you could buy any PC with Mac OSX installed on it, then companies would quickly style their PCs to look like Apples, but much cheaper
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One thing may also stop Linux from being main stream is tech support. There isn't a 1800 number that a customer can actually call and get help with linux unless its Novell(or dell). Average consumers aren't aware of IRC or Ubuntu message boards. Linux true power is in the console and when you have an average joe do something in the console, they will get feed up pretty quickly because they like to click.
Ubuntu has this kind of support, but you have to pay a bit.
The product is free, but live support isn't.

Either way, it doesn't cost much and IIRC you pay for 1 year at a time.
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The complaint is that Apple has a clause in their EULA saying it is illegal for anyone to sell a PC with a Apple OSX pre-installed...you can buy a PC and install Mac on it yourself, or you can sell a PC with OSX bundled, but that puts many users off because they don't know how to, so they'll pay the extra for an Apple.

The reason Apple sells so many PCs is because they are unique - if you could buy any PC with Mac OSX installed on it, then companies would quickly style their PCs to look like Apples, but much cheaper
You can't put OSX on a PC legally....
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