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Thanks to your replies my TJ07 dual loop project is moving fast. Today i've made the first drawing of the setup, which pretty much is the final one:



Loop 1: PA120.2 > mosfets 1 > mosfets 2 > CPU > Northbridge > Pump
Loop 2: PA120.3 > GPU 1 > GPU 2 > Pump

As i said the project will be built around July (after uni exams), which is in about 3 months from now, but the parts below should have the same heat dissipation as the final ones. I put some here just for reneference:

CPU: Q6600
GPU: 9800XG2
MB: Asus Striker 2 Extreme
Pump: MCP655
Blocks: DangerDen generally for all blocks (full cover for gpus), excluding mosfets
Tubing: UV tubing 1/2'' ID

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Loop 1 questions

Question 1: Is loop 1 a bit too flow-restrictive for the pump?
Question 2: Is Striker 2 Extreme default NB block for 1/2 or 3/8 ID tubing?
Question 3: Is striker 2 Extreme default NB block any match for branded NB blocks (swiftech, DD etc)?
Question 4: The only mosfests blocks i found are these. Are they any good or there are better?
Question 5: Is PA120.2 sufficient for loop 1?

Loop 2 questions

Question 1: Is a PA120.3 sufficient for 2x GX2? (worst case)
Question 2: The fill port must be taller than the tallest part of the particular loop in order to be empty and work as... fill port?

General questions

Question 1: Any other blocks that you would suggest instead of DD?
Question 2: Are "high flow burbs" (as bitspower's or dd's) any good?
Question 3: In some cases i though of using 90 degree fittings (such this). Do these fittings add too much flow restriction? (btw Q fitting is this)
Question 4: Im planning of using Fesser UV tubing + Fesser UV liquid for better flowing result. Should clear Tygon + Fesser UV liquid give the same glowing result?
Question 5: Where is a link for Overclock.net case logos? (yes, i didn't bookmarked the link... )


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1) Neither loop would be too restrictive as long as you got the variable version of the MCP655.

2,3,4) I would talk to Andreoid about the Striker blocks.

5) You will want at least a 120.3 if you are going to have all of those blocks in with the Q6600. I would personally recommend doing the cpu in its own loop. But if you don't, its important that the cpu comes right after the rad, not the mosfets.

6) The 120.3 should be enough for the GX2, but I do know that the 480GTX will fit in the bottom of that case, so it might be a better option. You could ask CyberDruid about it; he squeezed on in there in one of his projects.

7) Fill ports and reservoirs should be at the higest point in the loop if possible. yours are currently placed like drain lines.

8) For the CPU block, you should get either a D-tek Fuzion or an EK Supreme. I would get the EK GX2 waterblock rather than the Danger Den one. They are generally cheaper and better quality, and have better performance - marginally.

9) Danger Den's high-flow barbs are pretty good.

10) I would avoid using elbows if you can. They do add a lot of restriction.

11) I think the Tygon would be better. You could also use Masterkleer 7/16" tubing.

12) Appliques are here.

Other) I would have the fans in a pull configuration if possible. It should be easier on the bottom rad to do that. It should drop temps by at least a degree or two.
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2,3,4) I would talk to Andreoid about the Striker blocks.
Thanks for the heads up, this guy seems to do a very precise work on that blocks, i just hope he can send them worldwide.

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5) You will want at least a 120.3 if you are going to have all of those blocks in with the Q6600. I would personally recommend doing the cpu in its own loop. But if you don't, its important that the cpu comes right after the rad, not the mosfets.
I though of that too, but a 120.3 will not fit so "nice" on the case. Around 120mm (the 3rd fan) will exceed from the back. Putting the burbs on the back is pretty much impossible without slaughtering the case...

Both loops were made for minimum tubing. Hence the mosfet blocks > cpu routing. In any case, for how many temp differebce are we talking (when placing cpu > mosfets)?

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8) For the CPU block, you should get either a D-tek Fuzion or an EK Supreme. I would get the EK GX2 waterblock rather than the Danger Den one. They are generally cheaper and better quality, and have better performance - marginally.
Any comments on this? (this one is for GTX)

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Other) I would have the fans in a pull configuration if possible. It should be easier on the bottom rad to do that. It should drop temps by at least a degree or two.
You mean the top fans (on the rad) to be pulling and the inside ones right below pushing? I thought of that as well, but wouldn't in this case the hot air (from inside the case) be thrown on the rad? Of course it's subjective what "hot air" that would be (since most parts will be chill) but...



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You bet


Thanks for the answers guys.
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Thanks for the heads up, this guy seems to do a very precise work on that blocks, i just hope he can send them worldwide.


I though of that too, but a 120.3 will not fit so "nice" on the case. Around 120mm (the 3rd fan) will exceed from the back. Putting the burbs on the back is pretty much impossible without slaughtering the case...

Both loops were made for minimum tubing. Hence the mosfet blocks > cpu routing. In any case, for how many temp differebce are we talking (when placing cpu > mosfets)?


Any comments on this? (this one is for GTX)


You mean the top fans (on the rad) to be pulling and the inside ones right below pushing? I thought of that as well, but wouldn't in this case the hot air (from inside the case) be thrown on the rad? Of course it's subjective what "hot air" that would be (since most parts will be chill) but...
Ignore my comment about the pull, I didn't see that there were already two fans in the roof of the case, so with ones on top you'd already be doing push/pull.

I think those Aquagraphics ones are really restrictive. EK's really are the best ones.

It really wouldn't add too much tubing to the loop to go cpu first and it will improve your temps by a degree or two.

I see what you mean about the 120.3 on top. In that case I highly recommend not putting the NB and mosfet blocks in the loop. The q6600 alone is as much as the 120.2 can really handle, I'd even use 120.3 for that alone.
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the arrows on the top rad should be pulling air out and the rad in the bottom sucking in air. i know there's no way to put an intake in the front w/o much modding.
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I see what you mean about the 120.3 on top. In that case I highly recommend not putting the NB and mosfet blocks in the loop. The q6600 alone is as much as the 120.2 can really handle, I'd even use 120.3 for that alone.
You must be kidding right?? Does Q6600 (not to mention Q9450 which might be the final) produce such a heat??

I thought they were cooler than the old Prescots (like the one i have now - P4 650 3.2GHz).
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I think it looks like a good plan. Only thing's I would change is to have the pumps before the rads, and to feed the CPU before the NB. Should be a killer setup when done!
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You must be kidding right?? Does Q6600 (not to mention Q9450 which might be the final) produce such a heat??

I thought they were cooler than the old Prescots (like the one i have now - P4 650 3.2GHz).
No, I was quite serious. However, the Q9450 will be cooler, so if that's what you're going to end up using, I think you'll be fine. I just don't like other blocks in my cpu loop.

And yeah, even the G0 quads put out a lot of heat.
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