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Originally Posted by Schroedinger View Post
That's not true at all.

Essentially the "Net Neutrality" principle is just a limitation on pricing structure imposed as a matter of popular misunderstanding. Generally internet connections (up or down) have been one size fits all, to date. But bandwidth use varies widely; from major websites, to P2P users, down to normal email and game-playing uses.

Under the current system ("neutral", so to speak), heavy bandwidth users are subsidized by ordinary users. Essentially, grannies (and especially small business) subsidize torrents. This is neutral, and uncontrolled, but it's also frightfully silly. It's a commons problem, and the way to solve it is to price based on use (as always). The only reason it didn't come up sooner was the worldwide capacity glut caused by overbuilding in the 90's.

Now, I don't profess to have an opinion one way or the other - the above discussion is an expression of one side of an argument, not a declaration of allegiance to that argument. But to say that "Net Neutrality" is a fairness principle, or morally required, or that its abandonment would only benefit large telecom businesses, is simply false.

Side Note:

Having a monopoly is not illegal in the United States, per se. Intentionally creating a monopoly is illegal, using monopoly power to leverage other markets is illegal, merger to monopoly is illegal, but there is such a thing in the law as a "natural monopoly"; a situation where multiple producers are inefficient (think cable providers - they have local monopolies because multiple cable lines would be so much more expensive than a single system).

Also, antitrust authorities in Europe are if anything more, rather than less, aggressive than their American counterparts.

Of course, I cannot imagine what antitrust concerns would be generated by Virgin's activities as described. Not relevant.
I can see what you are saying but I don't fully agree. ISP's complain how certain people hog bandwidth and I would agree with that statement but their answer is to charge more or less based on use and they know that in the end they will make more money with less investment this way. If bandwidth is truly a problems then they need to upgrade. I know that adding bandwidth is expensive but these companies are not poor. It all boils down in the end to how much more money can they make while giving the least to their customers. If the infrastructure needs beefed up then that's what should done while still maintaining fair prices and open networks. Most major companies are notorious for milking technology to the end and making every dollar they can while saying that it's too expensive to make said upgrades. How much money is enough money.

Edit; If the system isn't broken don't try and fix it. This system isn't broken at all. Again, the bottom line is that companies want to make more money regardless of the affect to their customers.
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Edit; If the system isn't broken don't try and fix it. This system isn't broken at all. Again, the bottom line is that companies want to make more money regardless of the affect to their customers.

It was inserted and attributed to me.
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It was inserted and attributed to me.
LOL, sorry. I was wondering where it went after I saved it.
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Thing that gets on my tits is that they say "up to 8mb broadband" in the UK and half the time the download speeds reach 'up to' 2 mb. + ontop of that its cappped. The business broadband at my house may not be mega fast but at least its constant dl speeds and no limits to what I can download.
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Those of you that support "net neutrality" don't really know what you are supporting. Its sort of one of those misnomers, sort of like "managed free trade".

I do not support net neutrality and that doesn't mean I like the idea of content limited internet. That means I support the market deciding how the internet should run.
So you agree that free speech should be taken away from users?

You agree that person A should be able to access content X, yet person B cannot access content X?

The internet not being controlled by a single super power is the fact that makes the internet what it is today.

Sure, there is alot of misinformation out there, but to say that one single super power should be able to control content is rediculous. It opens the door to any number of corrupt power whores to censor what they disagree with, ultimately controlling what people read, given the right price.

Net neutrality is like the right to free speech - everyone should have it, and to deny that to anyone is against social human rights.
    
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What was this video about again, I stopped watching after those melons were not visible.
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I had trouble listening. I was staring at her boobs.
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^^ Are you serious?! Tiscali are THE crap.

We offer an 8mb connection in your area. Charge us for it but the max we can get is 1mb download speeds. So we downgrade to 1mb or 2mb (cant remember) and we dont even hit 100k on the download speed.

Ring them up and its all foreign call centers who dont speak english
To begin with my connection was awful. i live in a rural area and apparently the max speed around here is 6mb/s.

I wasn't even getting 2mb/s. i soon got sick of it and realised that my problem was actually on my end - there is only one phone socket in the house, and in order for me to have net access on this rig is to get a very, very long extension lead.

Turns out the current lead was crappy quality. i had to spend a fair bit of cash on a very high-quality line, but it was worth it. now i get the max speed for my area...between 5/6mb/s.

fortunate for me, ive never had to ring tiscali up...and i wouldn't be surprised if they were all foriegn...most isp's do this. its cheaper. lol.
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Wow....that video was incredibly ....distracting.
    
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