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[DESTRUCTOID] Rumortoid: UT III modder accuses Epic of theft, eats a forum ban

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Like most writers in this industry, I hang around NeoGAF while pretending that I don't. In doing so, I stumbled across a rather interesting thread detailing how Epic banned an Unreal Tournament III modder from its message board after he accused the company of stealing his creation, as seen (ridiculously briefly) in the Xbox 360 trailer:
I'm sure many of you already seen the new UT3 360 trailer, but what most of you don't know is that one of the maps shown there ( DM-ArcticShipment ) is actually a user created map done by a member that goes by EpicJon on the Epic Forums.

The map, while not being exactly the same, is a blatant rip off, it's a cargo boat, in the middle of the Artic ocean, with snow falling and with icebergs on the background. When EpicJon posted about his discontent in the Epic Forums he got banned and his thread deleted.
There is, of course, much discussion on the ethical and moral nature of Epic's supposed actions, but let's take a minute to look at this sensibly. Both maps are boats in the middle of the arctic, and they do share similarities -- however, boats in oceans are not exactly original game settings, and the same can certainly be said for snow and ice. It's not out of the question to consider that Epic was inspired by EpicJon's map, but by the same token, accusing the company of blatantly ripping him off isn't really founded, and simply not true (even if inspired, the maps are not carbon copies by a long shot).

Of course, where Epic screwed up is in silencing the accuser without the courtesy of explanation. Some would argue that Epic owes no such explanation, considering that the map similarities could just be coincidence, and the mod is a derivative of Epic's original game anyway, but in doing things the way Epic apparently did them, it just looks like a dick move and ensures that gamers are going to assume the worst, which is exactly what's happening.

We'll try and get some official word from Epic on the matter and hopefully clear up this silly business, but I know one thing -- you'll never be Valve if you make your modders feel alienated, Epic.
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post #2 of 11
hmmm....sounds bad on epics part.
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post #3 of 11
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hmmm....sounds bad on epics part.
Thanks for that reply Capitan Obvious, I kid, I kid...but yeah, thats pretty messed up...on the other hand, whats the big deal? If they would have asked to use his map, he probably just would have said yes and he wouldn't have seen a dime anyway, also its just a trailer showing some UT3 game footage, and that is exactly what it did, just with a custom map. Just sounds like a credit whore to me, but they really shouldn't have banned him and not said anything about it...kind of like our shadowy puppet masters on this site as well...I probably shouldn't go into much detail about that...or I'll be banned as well
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Epic is Epic Fail, regardless of weather or not this is true. Banning a modder is a failure on a companys part, even if they are making false accusations about the Legitity of one of their corporations maps.

Wow, that was a mouth full.....
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Epic is Epic Fail, regardless of weather or not this is true. Banning a modder is a failure on a companys part, even if they are making false accusations about the Legitity of one of their corporations maps.

Wow, that was a mouth full.....
Anybody reminded of a certain sound card company from a few weeks back?

I meant the situation, not the banning-the-member part.
    
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post #6 of 11
blatant rip off is a fine line to stealing. But it's not stealing. The guy can't do anything and epic has being going down the ****ter lately anyways.
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post #7 of 11
i think it was easier for epic to give an explanation,but they went to the extreme and banned the user instantly.
there's no way that the community will see this as something good.
it's like creative and Daniel_K,so now we boycott Epic.
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Anybody reminded of a certain sound card company from a few weeks back?

I meant the situation, not the banning-the-member part.
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The member was a reverse-engineer, and that's why they banned him.. after that they apologized him and dunno what happened next.
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OMG unoriginal!
    
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ROFL They'll never be as good as valve anyway.
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