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Hey, I'm getting pretty desperate now, and am not sure where else to look/ask, so that's why I'm here. Sorry if this is in the wrong section or whatever. Here's my computer if it will help...running XP Home Edition.

Intel Pentium Extreme Edition CPU 3.46 GHz (4 CPUs)
Nvidia GeForce 7900 GTX
2 1gb sticks of Corsair DDR2 800 memory
Abit AW9D motherboard
Thermaltake 600w power supply
Realtek HD Audio daughter card (I think that's what it is...?)

I have the latest drivers for all of these, as I was checking each one if it was the culprit. If I am missing info please tell me

Anyways, this all pretty much started a week ago, when I first reinstalled WoW after a 6 month hiatus. This could merely be coincidence, but shortly after, my computer would crash very randomly in the game. I've had problems with WoW before, as the game seems to introduce new bugs with every patch, and decided I will always be plagued with bad luck with this game. However, within the last 2 days, my computer has been starting to crash the same way as in the game--Freeze up, no ctrl + alt + del, no BSOD, and it will either automatically reset or I must do it manually. When windows boots up, there is no message telling me what happened.

Now these are completely random crashes (or so they appear), as I can be doing something or doing nothing when they occur. They have become more sporadic, as I have booted windows up a few times after a crash only to crash on startup. I've checked my temperature, and my computer appears to be at optimal temperatures. Nothing is OC'd. I shut off my computer every night for the most part.

I've tried running memtest86 to see if this was caused by bad memory. Nothing was found. Defragging, spybot checking, virus scanning, check disk, different graphics options, tried running the system without dual monitor, and whatever else I can't think of right now. This computer isn't too old--built it sometime last year.

I also messed around with nTune, and tried out the stress tests for each thing separately. Everything tested out fine, except doing the stress test on the memory locked up the system. This was after I did memtest86 for a few hours and found no errors, so I did the test again and it did fine. These were all 10 minute stress tests.

I'm running out of options...hope is lost. Please help me!
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post #2 of 25
are u OCed ....?

unstable ram clocks gave me this issue ...i know u said u run memtest but i think it will only detect physical errors on the DIMMS not test for stability (could be wrong)
up the VDIMM see if that helps...

the only other non BSOD incedent i've had is the PSU.... if it fails u will get no BSODs just resarts ...swap it out for another to test if possible then stress the system to eliminate it as a possibility ..
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post #3 of 25
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I'm not OC'd.

Sorry, I don't know what a DIMM is or VDIMM...you'd have to give me a rundown hehe.

As for the power supply, a friend of mine thought that may be the cause of these errors also...

Also, to go a little more in-depth on my problem, my computer seems to be pretty stable when I'm not running any heavy memory programs like Maya or WoW, although it's not out of the question to say it's not possible for me to crash outside of those programs, since I have already. It just seems like it is more likely to occur when I'm rendering images or playing a game. Maybe my selective memory is only saying I've been crashing recently, but I think I might have been randomly (though much less frequently) crashing in TF2 as well a few weeks ago...maybe my power supply is quickly deteriorating after less than a years use?
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post #4 of 25
DIMM = memory stick VDIMM = memory voltage

im just going over your boards specs .....& hoping this is not a software issue
gonna suggest a few things u have probably done.....
have u changed GPU drivers recently new drivers could be causing conflict
run virus & registry cleaners (make sure they are up to date)
run spybot s&d or whatever spyware app u have

im just gonna check if your board has any known issues brb....
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post #5 of 25
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Greatly appreciate the help/suggestions. I don't mind being told repeats, it just reassures that I'm doing what should be done to fix the problem.

I vaguely remember my memory being rated at 1.9V from newegg (lost the box)...It also has a sticker on it that says it's 5-5-5-12, but the default settings in BIOS set it to 5-5-5-15. The default voltage currently is 2.0, and I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I don't feel like shorting out my memory or anything. These have been the settings that have run pretty stable over the past few months.

GPU drivers - besides updating drivers a long time ago (when my cpu was more stable) I haven't really changed anything until after I started crashing, hoping that an outdated driver would fix my problem. The one driver that was outdated was my sound driver, and that didn't fix anything. Also, I checked the Abit website and the latest drivers they had seemed to be from '06. If you know any newer ones I'd be glad to hear about it. I'm ready to do anything for this to work.

Virus scan - check. I'd be willing to run another I guess.
Spybot S&D - check. I scan my computer very frequently and update all the time with this. On my old pc it was Ad-aware, and I scanned every time there was an update for definitions--almost every day! I'm very anal about not having spyware or viruses.
Now registry cleaners I haven't tried. If you know a good one to recommend I'd like to try that also. Thanks again.
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post #6 of 25
ok.....everyone seems to love this board from what i read

u say it started a week ago......u may of downloaded summink ur rig diddn't like the taste of ...roll the comp back a week or 2 see if that fixes it
a freind put me on to a website recently which nearly had me at the point of a reinstall cos it swallowed summink the scanners could not remove & kept rebooting randomly...

as for the ram... if the above fails to work u could try & manualy set the timings to rated spd see if that helps ....though if they are rated for 5-5-5-12 they should run 5-5-5-15 fine ..dont worry about the voltage so much they will be good for 2.2v maybe more . mine are rated for 1.9 - 2.1v & they have been @ 2.3v for the last 4 months
though obviously every case is different but most DDR2 will take ample voltage


run orthos blend stress cpu & ram ...priority 8 this will test ram stability for what your board set as defult ....maybe it is the ram not getting enough or getting too much but that should remove the ram as an issue...
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post #7 of 25
Could be ... Windows, ..surprise. Do all the cleaning; temp files, registry cleaner, etc

Maybe RAM I guess, you'd more likely get a BSOD though.

Power supply. Swap if possible.

But I have some vibe it's your hard drive crappin' out.

Do a hard drive error checker thingy.


GL


(i'm terrible for not reading previous posts in a thread, sorry if I'm being an echo.)......edit - wrote this as skunksmash posted.
    
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You need these:

2x
http://www.xoxide.com/uv-meteor-light.html

2x
http://www.xoxide.com/sunbeam-meteor-light-blue.html

It may not work and the problem won't be solved - but at least the ***** will glow happy colors
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leck View Post
You need these:

2x
http://www.xoxide.com/uv-meteor-light.html

2x
http://www.xoxide.com/sunbeam-meteor-light-blue.html

It may not work and the problem won't be solved - but at least the ***** will glow happy colors
WTH!



Oh, you could be over heating too.


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can u put your system specs in your sig.......thx
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