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Wow someone needs to go cool down.... considering you are wrong.

It may be the same core, but no two cores are the same! One "identical" core can be a TOTALLY different overclocker as compared to another one!

This is why the Q6700s cost more! Because their cores are higher quality!
By your own post, wouldn't that make it silly to buy a 6700. If all chips are different, then there is no way one can consistantly clock higher than any other. Why spend the money if that is true?

Also, they cost more due to economics and the multiplier. They cost the same to make, but have a higher stock clock and sell less (quantity) than the Q6600. I personally think they will clock the same, although I have heard conflicting reports. Is there anything substantial proving this?
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Edit: To post above me: They are hand picked, but they aren't going to OC much better if any that a GO 6600, if you can find me some proof of the 6700 OCing better than a q6600 GO, Ill admit defeat.
400 Is an ok FSB for a quad

400 X 9 = 3600 - Q6600

400 X 10 = 4GHz, but its not likely it'll hit 4GHz on air - Q6700

But the same 3600 on a 10 multi = 360FSB - Which is much more likely to happen than 400FSB [Some motherboards dont get a very high FSB with quads]

Also as someone said, the Q6700's are of higher quality, which means more poential to stay stable when OC'd


I'd say the bottom line is, the Q6700 Is more expensive, it may not clock higher than the Q6600 usually does, but it has a higher chance of hitting the same speeds a Q6600 will, if not higher
    
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Keeng mate, you need to get your head right - Don't judge someone on their system specs, it shows nothing about their knowledge of computers

    
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I am a firm believer in marketing. Most CPU's with the same core will OC to roughly the same speeds. I have found this true with both AMD and Intel. As has been stated, all CPU's are different, so all we can do is speculate. I have just never seen proof that the Q6700 consistantly OC higher than the Q6600's.

I think your best hope is that the Q6700 is an older batch that OC better than the newer ones. But again, this is all speculation.
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Like I said in another thread, there is absolutly no way the 67 is worth even 10$ extra!! They are the same exact core with the same overclockability. Just like the old A64 3000+ - 3800+ (Venice) they all could hit 2.8-3.0. So if you're an overclocker you are able to get the same performance for less.

Q6600 FTW!!!

Edit: To post above me: They are hand picked, but they aren't going to OC much better if any that a GO 6600, if you can find me some proof of the 6700 OCing better than a q6600 GO, Ill admit defeat.
The latest batches of Q6700s have been utter crap. I don't know what you speak of.
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I am a firm believer in marketing. Most CPU's with the same core will OC to roughly the same speeds. I have found this true with both AMD and Intel. As has been stated, all CPU's are different, so all we can do is speculate. I have just never seen proof that the Q6700 consistantly OC higher than the Q6600's.

I think your best hope is that the Q6700 is an older batch that OC better than the newer ones. But again, this is all speculation.
This is hitting the nail on the head.

From what I've seen, the newer batches of Q6600's are not overclocking well.

I just picked up a Q6700 (batch # L727B332) on Saturday and it's running 3.6GHz at 1.368v (that's in CPUZ, in BIOS I set it to 1.375 or something). My old Q6600 (# 737B031) did that at 1.45v, so it's an improvement over that.

So for me, paying a bit extra for the Q6700 and getting the older batch that runs 3.6GHz on nice low volts is pretty good and I feel it was worth it.
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ive got the QX6700..

Overclocking isn't all too good. furthest i'm able to push it is to 3.57Ghz.

I paid over £600 for this chip, and it doesn't overclock as good as a Q6600. nevermind the fact that i'm hitting over 80C temps under watercooling...i plan to put 190cfm fans (deltas) on my radiator in hopes to remedy this.

My point is. if you get what you pay for, then surely i should be getting godlike overclocks on this thing?....i dont think thats how it works, at least not entirely.

Many times ive considered downgrading (or upgrading, depends on your perspective) to a Q6600, or Q6700, in hopes of better performance. and lower temps.
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I'm not even gonna bother replying to you... Ignorance is bliss for you I guess.

OP, think about it. If a chip makes the cut for a higher clocked STOCK CPU, don't you think that the higher clocked chip STOCK, will clock higher when OVERCLOCKING?

If you follow James advice, you'll end up going, "O well then is $60 worth for a 2.4GHz, better than a 2.0GHz? Then why should I pay $50 more for the 2.0, when I can get the 1.8GHz for $50 more?"

In the end you'll end up w/ a 1.6GHz stock CPU, instead of buying the 2.66GHz one! BUY the power, and then make it YOURS!
When you have to resort to caps, wow.

Just because the chip has higher stock clocks, does not mean that it will clock higher. There are so many other factors that affect the overclockability (lol?) of a chip.

Actually, scratch that. After re-reading your post about 3 times I still don't get the message.
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The latest batches of Q6700s have been utter crap. I don't know what you speak of.
I can say from my own experience that the later Q6600s I bough did not clock well. I went through 2 Q6600s and got a max OC of 3.5GHz at 1.44v vcore. I couldnt get 3.6GHz stable at 1.5v vcore, so I didnt even try to push higher.

There have been some good comments on this thread about OCing. No chip is guaranteed to OC. Even the VID can be misleading. my 3.5GHz Q6600 had a vid of 1.25v.

The binning proccess is how intel sorts the CPUs at the fabrication plant. Those waffers that yield the best performance are locked to Q6700. The next binning down is the Q6600. This is the same with the Conroes. The E6850 is the highest binned and many can get them to 4.0GHz. The E6750, which is binned below the E6850 can reach 3.8GHz. But there are a few chips that will defy this. There are a few E6750s that can reach 4.0GHz. But you have a higher probability of reaching it with an E6850.

Therefore, the Q6700 has a better chance of reaching higher clock speeds. We wont know yet since there are not that many Q6700s in many people's rigs becasue of the $500+ pricetag they carried before recent the price drop. At Xtremesystems, there was only one Q6700 in their Quad core OCing database.

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Originally Posted by Keeng James View Post
Like I said in another thread, there is absolutly no way the 67 is worth even 10$ extra!! They are the same exact core with the same overclockability. Just like the old A64 3000+ - 3800+ (Venice) they all could hit 2.8-3.0. So if you're an overclocker you are able to get the same performance for less.

Q6600 FTW!!!

Edit: To post above me: They are hand picked, but they aren't going to OC much better if any that a GO 6600, if you can find me some proof of the 6700 OCing better than a q6600 GO, Ill admit defeat.
Its not about admitting defeat. We are entitled to our own opinions. I assume you have OCed the quad cores so I will respect your opinion. I have OCed 2 Q6600s and now have 2 Q6700s on the way. So I will let you know if they OC any better then the newer batched Q6600s I tried.
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Truly Its up to you to determine if the price difference is worth the extra MHZ you can squeeze out and even then HOW MUCH of a difference will you see in realtime performance and IF that justifies the price. If your a hardcore OC'er go for it because you want the highest OC you can get, If not just get the Q6600 and save $60. Imo 3.3-3.6 is fast enough but If you want to attempt higher than that.. Most likely you will have to get the next step up which is the Q6700.
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