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not worth 60 bucks IMO...a 9x multiplier is sufficient if you have a good enough motherboard, but I can't say that I know enough about your setup to know that you would be okay. Even if you could only get 400fsb, 3.6G is probably going to be your limit anyway.

I don't know anything about the 750i's, but i know that their 650i counterparts (like my board) are TERRIBLE QUAD OVERCLOCKERS...make sure that the 750's are good quad oc'ers before you make the jump to intel.
The 750i isn't related to the 650i....it's a dumbed down version of the 780i. And it has been getting good reviews for overclocking...it was basically created for enthusiasts.
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You pay more for the Q6700 because it has a higher multi. Q6600 and Q6700 both come in G0 stepping so the chips are identical. Some retailers even advertise with it when it has a G0 stepping.

Ok so the sweet spot is 3.6Ghz. That is 400 x 9 (1600FSB). Most new mainboards support 1600FSB by default so to me there is absolutely no reason to get a Q6700 above a Q6600 unless you are NOT overclocking. You won't be needing the 10x multi if the sweet spot is 3.6Ghz

The 10x multi might be good for an extreme OC, but not for an aircooled setup.
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what is the sweet spot?
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can some of you guys provide some proof on how you believe they are hand picked, and their cores are "higher quality" I would think they cost more bc they come with a higher stock clock. I completely disagree with those type of statements, I have never come across anything that even remotely suggests this, but I could be wrong.
its not that they are hand picked, they are just higher binned. Intel has done the same with its X48 chipset over the X38. They are the same physical chipset, but the X48 is higher binned to run at default 400 FSB. Yet we all know the X38 can run that too. But the chipset is higher binned and can take more voltage then the X38. I flashed my P5E to the Rampage. The temp danger zones are considerably higher with the Rampage bios then the P5E (X48 vs X38).

Here is something on the binning from someone claiming to work for intel:
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The newly fabbed CPU is connected to a special "tester" machine (see: www.teradyne.com for one vendor). This machine controls all of the pins to the CPU, and specially-written test programs are played onto the pins (with expected results). The clock and voltage are increased until the point of failure, and this determines which bin it makes.

Disclaimer: I work for Intel, and I am greatly simplifying things, but this is the basic explanation.
Here is also an article on the binning process:
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To the gaming enthusiest, rich with disposible income, Intel markets its most expensive, and highest performing products. To the average consumer, Intel markets a chip rated for far less performance. In order to save on manufacturing costs however Intel makes just one type of chip, which is then sold to both markets. But even though Intel makes just one type of chip, the quality of each individual chip can vary to some degree. Once the chips have been pressed from silicone wafers, each individual die is stress tested to determine how fast it is capable of running. During this "binning" process the highest quality processors (those whose dies have been pressed perfectly) are separated from the rest and sold under the flagship line from the premium bin. Lesser chips are sold with a locked multiplier at more reasonable prices in the "bargain bin". Fortunately for the overclocker, the limited demand for the expensive flagship processors combinded with gradual improvements in the manufacturing process means that high quality processors will begin to trickle down into the lower quality bins, especially as the processor line begins to mature.
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You pay more for the Q6700 because it has a higher multi. Q6600 and Q6700 both come in G0 stepping so the chips are identical. Some retailers even advertise with it when it has a G0 stepping.

Ok so the sweet spot is 3.6Ghz. That is 400 x 9 (1600FSB). Most new mainboards support 1600FSB by default so to me there is absolutely no reason to get a Q6700 above a Q6600 unless you are NOT overclocking. You won't be needing the 10x multi if the sweet spot is 3.6Ghz

The 10x multi might be good for an extreme OC, but not for an aircooled setup.
I've seen a lot of Q6600 owners like Grunion claiming that 450x8 is the sweet spot for the Q6600. But I dont think to many people are buying the Xeon X3210 Kentsfield at 2.13GHz with an x8 multi when it was lower priced then the Q6600. Thats becasue it is lower binned and doesnt OC as high as the Q6600 (I'm just trying to put it into perspective).
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post #36 of 55
8x450 might be interesting to try.

I haven't tried the 450FSB on mine (well, I tried 450 x 9, but no luck!) because it messes up my RAM performance. I need to bump the tRD from 7 to 8 and I lose the extra 100 MHz going down to 900 from 1000.

I should run some bandwidth tests and see how different it is.
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Q6700- if you don't care about it costing more, because it IS better than q6600
Q6600- if you wanna save money and it's still pretty sweet!

If I was building my computer today rather than 3 months ago, at the current Q6700's price, I woulda bought it instead of my q6600
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post #38 of 55
Wow this thread just wont stop! LOL.

I say forget both and get a Phenom 9500......

Might be able to push it to 2.66 with the errata fix on.....Better yet.....Get a 4x4.

Canceled QUAD SLI FTW!!!

But seriously.....Q66
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I've seen a lot of Q6600 owners like Grunion claiming that 450x8 is the sweet spot for the Q6600. But I dont think to many people are buying the Xeon X3210 Kentsfield at 2.13GHz with an x8 multi when it was lower priced then the Q6600. Thats becasue it is lower binned and doesnt OC as high as the Q6600 (I'm just trying to put it into perspective).
I may have to try that. I have always heard that higher FSB is better, but never have tested it myself. I am curious as to whether a lower multi will yield a better OC. In my limited experience, the best OCing multi is the stock one.
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Wow, never seen one of my threads go awol like this. I did get some info that I needed. So thanks to all who helped. I did pass out a few reps as well.
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