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Ok, you can't say that any computer is 100% "environmentally friendly". Even if they use recycled plastic for as much as they can, the motherboard, CPU, and all other core components are going to contain non-recycled copper. The copper required for advanced circuitry can't be made of used copper, because it just isn't pure enough. Recycled copper is meant for stuff like plumbing.

It takes a LOT of aggregate to get copper. The ratio is I believe 10 tons of rocks to 100 lbs of copper (may not be exact or even close to exact, but it's a ridiculous ratio either way). That mining process requires what? Fuel. Those bulldozers, dump trucks, gigantic earth movers, and refineries need fuel to mine. The more copper needed, the more mining that needs to be done. More fuel burned, more resources used, more pollution produced. The purest copper gets sold to electronics companies, jewelers (a small percentage), and construction companies. Recycled copper is used for less-pretty projects and applications that don't require the purest copper, like plumbing.

Now, let's just say that Dell has made the closest thing to the most eco-friendly PC. In my opinion, and what has been debated and confirmed multiple times, is the fact that "global warming" is a tool used to gain profit. NASA needs money for research (which gets skimmed), NOAA needs money for research (which gets skimmed), environmentalist groups get funding (which gets skimmed), and people like Al Gore get funding to host projects (which obviously gets skimmed). Entertainment companies like National Geographic and Discovery Channel make tons of money off of viewers and subscribers who watch their "documentaries" on global warming, and those people watch said programs because of what they hear from government-funded groups that get paid to do "research". It's all a way to make money, and it is a growing profit margin. The more fear put into the hearts of citizens, the more money can be made off of them.

Sure, oil won't be around forever. Sure, we are making steps to ensure our childrens' childrens' children won't live in a world without electricity and we are making steps to provide alternative energy sources. That's fine. What WON'T happen in ours or our great great great great grandkids' life is a friggin Ice Age. That won't be around for another 5k-10k years from now. And you know what will happen? Just as we did a long time ago, we will survive. We, as a more primitive people, survived the one that happened 10k years ago, so why wouldn't we survive this one? We already have a head start with knowledge and science, so we will be fine when that time comes. Please understand that the Earth goes through cycles. After about 15k years of the planet having what we think of as a normal climate state, an ice age occurs and lasts anywhere from thousands of years to millions of years. Our last one was about 10k years ago, so in another 5-10k years from now, another will occur. What's also interesting is the fact that our calm climate is actually unusual. Our periods of "normal climate" last far shorter than the periods of ice ages, so when people say "don't mess with the planet or else you will cause an ice age", uh, it's going to happen anyway, and yes, we are likely going to be inhabiting this planet when it does occur.

Global warming? Come on. It's a friggin cycle. It will happen regardless of what we do. Even if we completely remove every single form of man-made pollution, the global warming will still be here. Volcanoes produce CO2, swamps produce it, dead animals, animals that are alive produce it (farting, pooping, you know...), decaying plants do as well. This buildup WILL occur, whether or not we contribute. Once it does, the Earth heats up, the poles melt some, the oceanic heat-conveying currents stops, heat stops traveling as it should, and the planet starts to freeze over. CO2 will get absorbed back into the earth through rain, snow, and still water. Volcanoes, the destructive MFers that we know of, will actually bring the ice age to an end by putting CO2 back into the air and putting heat back into the ocean (underwater volcanoes). The Earth itself, in fact, has its own way of ending the ice ages as well as causing them. It's a beautiful and powerful thing when you think about it, and regardless of our influence, it will happen, and our influence isn't so strong that we will cause one in a few hundred years.

That's just my $.02
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^ good read +rep

if you really want an environmental friendly, email and web browsing computer, why not get the asus Eee pc and get mobility as well, and save yourself a wad?
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I like to know that I have a beastly pc that will eat everything alive. Forget wussy green pc's. Unless they play crysis at medium, they're not worth money. It would be nice, though, to have a really powerful, but energy-efficient pc.
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post #44 of 82
mac mini has competition now actually.. no.. dell looks alot better
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The Pandas! Won't somebody please think of the Pandas!!

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not a drop of green in it either?
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Sorry, but I simply consider those that don't believe in global warming unfit to receive vocal communication with me.

I consider everyone that thinks it's a "conspiracy" to be utterly and completely hopeless.

It's impossible for me to consider you even remotely intelligent if you consider this to be a simple political issue, or that this "cycle" has nothing to do with our CO2 emissions.

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Sure, oil won't be around forever. Sure, we are making steps to ensure our childrens' childrens' children won't live in a world without electricity and we are making steps to provide alternative energy sources. That's fine. What WON'T happen in ours or our great great great great grandkids' life is a friggin Ice Age. That won't be around for another 5k-10k years from now. And you know what will happen? Just as we did a long time ago, we will survive. We, as a more primitive people, survived the one that happened 10k years ago, so why wouldn't we survive this one? We already have a head start with knowledge and science, so we will be fine when that time comes. Please understand that the Earth goes through cycles. After about 15k years of the planet having what we think of as a normal climate state, an ice age occurs and lasts anywhere from thousands of years to millions of years. Our last one was about 10k years ago, so in another 5-10k years from now, another will occur. What's also interesting is the fact that our calm climate is actually unusual. Our periods of "normal climate" last far shorter than the periods of ice ages, so when people say "don't mess with the planet or else you will cause an ice age", uh, it's going to happen anyway, and yes, we are likely going to be inhabiting this planet when it does occur.
When you understand a single scientific fact about anything you mentioned, then please go ahead and post a huge reply. But, when you're simply a product of the lobbying of 3 of the top 5 Fortune 500 companies, please simply log out and spare us the idiocy.
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Sorry, but I simply consider those that don't believe in global warming unfit to receive vocal communication with me.

I consider everyone that thinks it's a "conspiracy" to be utterly and completely hopeless.

It's impossible for me to consider you even remotely intelligent if you consider this to be a simple political issue.
HAHAHA! Did this "Greenest" Consumer Concept Desktop PC thread really turn into planet saving, lettuce eating freaks debating thread??

Unbelievable how so many people twist a thread to start some sort of argument or to try and sound clever
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Anyone else tired of "green this" and "green that"?
Get used to it. Everyone else has been getting it thrown in their face for much longer, and it pleases me to hear that one of the biggest polluters (Excluding China) in the world has it's citizen bombarded with green advertising everyday. if you're tired of it, change the way you do things and the way the people around you do things.

America has had it easy with energy for far too long. Other countries are driving smaller cars, buying energy saving light bulbs, recycling like crazy. If you don't believe me, come over to the UK and I will show you the separate bins everyone has to presort their waste into. I will show you the hatchbacks and even large diesels achieving 45, 50, even 60 miles per gallon of fuel. I will show you the acres of wind farms I live only 6 miles away from. I will show you the hydro electric dam that is located in Lanark, 15 miles away from me.

Yet we all pay far more for fuel and electricity than citizens in the US. Tell me why it is unfair that you sir, and your fellow citizens should not have green this, green that thrown in your face every day when the rest of th world is doing something about a global problem.
    
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Originally Posted by JCJP View Post
Sorry, but I simply consider those that don't believe in global warming unfit to receive vocal communication with me.

I consider everyone that thinks it's a "conspiracy" to be utterly and completely hopeless.

It's impossible for me to consider you even remotely intelligent if you consider this to be a simple political issue, or that this "cycle" has nothing to do with our CO2 emissions.



When you understand a single scientific fact about anything you mentioned, then please go ahead and post a huge reply. But, when you're simply a product of the lobbying of 3 of the top 5 Fortune 500 companies, please simply log out and spare us the idiocy.
he obviously DOES understand, otherwise he wouldn't have posted it. seriously, it's a natural cycle, we shouldn't be trying to upset the balance. cutting pollution is still a good goal, however.
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