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he obviously DOES understand, otherwise he wouldn't have posted it. seriously, it's a natural cycle, we shouldn't be trying to upset the balance. cutting pollution is still a good goal, however.
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Get used to it. Everyone else has been getting it thrown in their face for much longer, and it pleases me to hear that one of the biggest polluters (Excluding China) in the world has it's citizen bombarded with green advertising everyday. if you're tired of it, change the way you do things and the way the people around you do things.

America has had it easy with energy for far too long. Other countries are driving smaller cars, buying energy saving light bulbs, recycling like crazy. If you don't believe me, come over to the UK and I will show you the separate bins everyone has to presort their waste into. I will show you the hatchbacks and even large diesels achieving 45, 50, even 60 miles per gallon of fuel. I will show you the acres of wind farms I live only 6 miles away from. I will show you the hydro electric dam that is located in Lanark, 15 miles away from me.

Yet we all pay far more for fuel and electricity than citizens in the US. Tell me why it is unfair that you sir, and your fellow citizens should not have green this, green that thrown in your face every day when the rest of th world is doing something about a global problem.
My boss has a saying - "Don't make your problem, my problem." Don't complain to me about Europeans paying more for fuel. I know you guys pay more than double than what we do, but how is that my concern as an American?

And America recycles - We too have bins for paper, plastic, aluminum, and glass. We buy energy saving light bulbs and all the same stuff you guys do. But we like our big cars, touch luck. But I'll tell you why I have an issue with "Green". Because companies like GE, owners of NBC and the biggest pushers of this "green movement", lobby our government with millions upon millions of dollars, pushing self-beneficial legislation so that they can reap the rewards.

Global warming is a problem, but it's not as bad a problem as Al Gore-ians would have you believe. I don't subscribe to the whole tree-hugging philosophy and I never will. Even the creator of The Weather Channel believes Al Gore is full of it. lol
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Anyone else tired of "green this" and "green that"?
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Global warming is a problem, but it's not as bad a problem as Al Gore-ians would have you believe. I don't subscribe to the whole tree-hugging philosophy and I never will. Even the creator of The Weather Channel believes Al Gore is full of it. lol
John Coleman, founder of The Weather Channel, actually wants to sue Al Gore for fraud regarding "global warming". (Source) There are some more links that site, as well.

Coleman speaks of "global warming" at the 2008 International Conference of Climate Change and The Free Republic:
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It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims.
    
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My boss has a saying - "Don't make your problem, my problem." Don't complain to me about Europeans paying more for fuel. I know you guys pay more than double than what we do, but how is that my concern as an American?

And America recycles - We too have bins for paper, plastic, aluminum, and glass. We buy energy saving light bulbs and all the same stuff you guys do. But we like our big cars, touch luck. But I'll tell you why I have an issue with "Green". Because companies like GE, owners of NBC and the biggest pushers of this "green movement", lobby our government with millions upon millions of dollars, pushing self-beneficial legislation so that they can reap the rewards.

Global warming is a problem, but it's not as bad a problem as Al Gore-ians would have you believe. I don't subscribe to the whole tree-hugging philosophy and I never will. Even the creator of The Weather Channel believes Al Gore is full of it. lol
mike, I do not doubt for a second that certain organisations benefit from the whole "green" movement.

I personally do not believe in global warming, for this single reason: Are we as the human race, so arrogant to believe that our comparatively tiny CO2 output could cause the world to heat up - all because of us, a single species on this planet? Global warming is caused by solar fluctuations. The sun is far greater than us, and ultimately controls the climate on earth. As far as I am concerned, the dawn of the industrial age has merely coincided with a solar fluctuation which have been occuring for millions of years. Call me ignorant if you like. It's what I believe. CO2 taxation is just a way for the government to slyly charge more for fossil fuels.

However, what I do believe is that we are rapidly running out of resources. Certainly the UK is beggining to feel the impact of the North Sea oil reserves running low, and this has been amplified by the closure of an old oil refinery in Grangemouth. Over the past week petrol stations have run dry due to panic buying and prices have sky rocketed. Sure, not Americas problem, but are you really so ignorant to think your time will never come? Maybe not until 30 years from now, but it'll come.

The Energy Crisis is a far bigger issue than global warming in my opinion. Thats why we have to recycle, because it will save energy. Why we must improve vehicle fuel efficiency. Why energy saving appliances are important. Things like a DC power supply for electronics in peoples home to cut down on transformer inefficiencys and rectifier circuits.

The problem is cost. The pigs in power will not be rid of their precious pennies for such frivelous and pointless expenditure in the short term. But in the long term, we will undoubtedly have to act, and that is why I stand by what I have said.

We are all on this planet together, and it's a global problem, not just Europes problem, or just Australias problem or just Russias problem - EVERYONE has to take action. Without preparation for the impending energy crisis, we are preparing to fail.
    
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Well, global warming is a hoax anyway. No proof for it. The 2008 winter was the coldest we have had since 1988, and the dustbowls of the 1930's were actually the warmest years recorded in history. Nothing's getting any warmer.

Oh, and if one of those special compact flourecent lights breaks in your home, be prepared to rip out a bunch of carpet, tear down walls, and destroy anything with cloth that's in the same room. They have mercury in them! And the good ol' government is forcing us to use these things by 2012... unbelievable.

Not to say that I'm not for efficiency and innovation, I'm all for it. Just not when it costs me more and is forced upon me. That's socialism.
*facepalm*

O.K.- Although what you are saying would make logical sense, there are things (quite a few of them, in fact) that you aren't taking into account. Earth just might be a little more complicated. I would type up a response on the reasons why certain areas may become colder (and all...eventually) through periods of global warming, but alas, I'm lazy...I've written multiple papers on the subject...and there are numerous accurate websites (and books) that have done fine jobs on explaining this topic.

Go look up global sustainability, global warming (which are connected with ice ages...who would have thought), ice age (I haven't looked this one up...but would assume it has information on how they come about), and most importantly, global climate change on wikipedia. I know it's not the greatest of sources, but it has a lot of good information. (And just to note...this post isn't supporting the notion that global climate change is anthropogenic...so don't start tossing the flames.)


Now, as for the OP...meh...I'll reserve judgment for when I see the specs (including power consumption). It's really not that bad of an idea.

EDIT: Alk...the Milankovich cycles are quite brutal...but you can't truly beleive that greenhouse gas emissions have nothing to do with with global climate change...

Look up some of the data that scientists have extracted from ice cores in relation to the atmospheric CO2 levels...
    
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mike, I do not doubt for a second that certain organisations benefit from the whole "green" movement.

I personally do not believe in global warming, for this single reason: Are we as the human race, so arrogant to believe that our comparatively tiny CO2 output could cause the world to heat up - all because of us, a single species on this planet? Global warming is caused by solar fluctuations. The sun is far greater than us, and ultimately controls the climate on earth. As far as I am concerned, the dawn of the industrial age has merely coincided with a solar fluctuation which have been occuring for millions of years. Call me ignorant if you like. It's what I believe. CO2 taxation is just a way for the government to slyly charge more for fossil fuels.

However, what I do believe is that we are rapidly running out of resources. Certainly the UK is beggining to feel the impact of the North Sea oil reserves running low, and this has been amplified by the closure of an old oil refinery in Grangemouth. Over the past week petrol stations have run dry due to panic buying and prices have sky rocketed. Sure, not Americas problem, but are you really so ignorant to think your time will never come? Maybe not until 30 years from now, but it'll come.

The Energy Crisis is a far bigger issue than global warming in my opinion. Thats why we have to recycle, because it will save energy. Why we must improve vehicle fuel efficiency. Why energy saving appliances are important. Things like a DC power supply for electronics in peoples home to cut down on transformer inefficiencys and rectifier circuits.

The problem is cost. The pigs in power will not be rid of their precious pennies for such frivelous and pointless expenditure in the short term. But in the long term, we will undoubtedly have to act, and that is why I stand by what I have said.

We are all on this planet together, and it's a global problem, not just Europes problem, or just Australias problem or just Russias problem - EVERYONE has to take action. Without preparation for the impending energy crisis, we are preparing to fail.
are we so arrogant to beleive that we as a single race could destroy nearly all life on the planet with some of our little nuclear bombs?

can we as a single race eventually wipeout rainforests and cause a passageway through antartica?

wake up people.

true the "green" movement has been whored our by big corporations but it is the way our economy works. they would sell their mothers for a buck if they could. it is simply whatever will make money whether it makes life better or worse.

maybe global warming isn't as bad as some say but it is happening. we probably wont have to wear thermal suits and all live further north in our lifetimes but in a generation or two our lack of action will be felt by our descendants.
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Sorry, but I simply consider those that don't believe in global warming unfit to receive vocal communication with me.

I consider everyone that thinks it's a "conspiracy" to be utterly and completely hopeless.

It's impossible for me to consider you even remotely intelligent if you consider this to be a simple political issue, or that this "cycle" has nothing to do with our CO2 emissions.



When you understand a single scientific fact about anything you mentioned, then please go ahead and post a huge reply. But, when you're simply a product of the lobbying of 3 of the top 5 Fortune 500 companies, please simply log out and spare us the idiocy.
Oh I'm sorry I guess the glaciers that formed during the last ice age don't exist, that radiocarbon dating of human corpses that show they lived during the ice age was wrong, that a 10,000 year old mummified corpse was mistaken for tree bark, that ice cores are tainted and don't show real data, that the planet itself doesn't layer sediment and show any real data, that volcanoes are fake and are actually smoke stacks from refineries, and I guess you're right, the next ice age will happen TOMORROW! I guess I should log out and while I'm at it, deny the Earth is round.
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I actually like green... in my bong

But seriously, I think it's a pretty good idea. I mean, it won't make a difference in global warming or anything like that if a couple people have low-power PCs, but it will make a difference in their electric bills. I don't think that most people here realize how much freakin' power gaming machines use. I mean, most of us use 500+ watt PSUs. You would never leave ten lightbulbs on all the time, but I know a lot of people who leave their computers on all the time.
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are we so arrogant to beleive that we as a single race could destroy nearly all life on the planet with some of our little nuclear bombs?

can we as a single race eventually wipeout rainforests and cause a passageway through antartica?
I'm not denying that. However things like swamps and animals, livestock, even some plants release far more CO2 than we do by burning fuels.
    
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