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The integrated graphics will still be weak, so it solves nothing.
Currently the integrated graphics aren't even able to play newer games at all, not even slowly with display options and effects turned down.
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Currently the integrated graphics aren't even able to play newer games at all, not even slowly with display options and effects turned down.
That's what seems to be the case, and I doubt it will be different with Larabee since it's based on x86 architecture as well rather than an entirely new GPU-specific architecture.
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I think most of this argument is pointless. Intel hardly has any effect on PC gaming. The average consumer will never get into PC gaming, I don't care if their system can run the game or not. Someone that knows nothing about computers, like most people, does not want to install a game, enter all kinda of serial info, wait for it to install. Then when they start the game up, it looks like complete crap and they can't figure out why. Well, that's because they need to go in to the settings and adjust the resolution and everything. Then, if they want to use a controller, since most people that aren't into PC gaming are used to them, they have to set up all the buttons. The average person just isn't going to do that. I love PC gaming, and I don't ever intend to buy another console (I have a wii, because at least it brings something new), but I also love computers in general, taking all this time with the games is enjoyable to me. I like fine tuning them to my computer and my tastes. The average consumer just wants to put the game in, grab the controller and play. That isn't going to change no matter what
    
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I think most of this argument is pointless. Intel hardly has any effect on PC gaming. The average consumer will never get into PC gaming, I don't care if their system can run the game or not. Someone that knows nothing about computers, like most people, does not want to install a game, enter all kinda of serial info, wait for it to install. Then when they start the game up, it looks like complete crap and they can't figure out why. Well, that's because they need to go in to the settings and adjust the resolution and everything. Then, if they want to use a controller, since most people that aren't into PC gaming are used to them, they have to set up all the buttons. The average person just isn't going to do that. I love PC gaming, and I don't ever intend to buy another console (I have a wii, because at least it brings something new), but I also love computers in general, taking all this time with the games is enjoyable to me. I like fine tuning them to my computer and my tastes. The average consumer just wants to put the game in, grab the controller and play. That isn't going to change no matter what
Intel play a massive role in the development of the computer as a whole. AGP, PCI, PCI-E, ATX, BTX.... ive always imagined intel = Hardware & Microsoft = Software. of course like anything in the industry this is open for change. thank f* for that. we don't want another Apple...

I also see both the PS3 and 360 as simplified, - and flawed - computers, in the sense that they do much more in terms of media when compared to what thier ancestors did. Nintendo has kept with the console tradition, the Wii is proof of this, and its very obviously paid off.
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Intel play a massive role in the development of the computer as a whole. AGP, PCI, PCI-E, ATX, BTX.... ive always imagined intel = Hardware & Microsoft = Software. of course like anything in the industry this is open for change. thank f* for that. we don't want another Apple...

I also see both the PS3 and 360 as simplified, - and flawed - computers, in the sense that they do much more in terms of media when compared to what thier ancestors did. Nintendo has kept with the console tradition, the Wii is proof of this, and its very obviously paid off.
Yea, my first line sounds stupid on it's own. I mean in the context of the article, intel's poor integrated solutions are not hurting PC gaming would have sounded better. Of course intel plays a huge role in computers
    
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I don't know about the rest o you, but I'm really tired of the following:

1) collision detection problems - is there anything that yanks you out of suspension of disbelief like watching an NPC put their arm through a wall, or see a rifle barrel poke through?

2) The game has supposedly supplied me with shaped charges - so why can't I make my own door in the wall?

3) I just shot that thatched hut with a 120mm anti tank shell - why is it still there?

4) How come there hasn't been a comic book game where the control scheme/camera depends on the super-powers of the individual players? Ex. How about a Superman game where if I want to use heat vision I switch to a first person view, but stay in third person for hand to hand, or flying, etc.?

5) You don't get to call your FPS "realistic" if I can't look down the weapon sights. A corollary would be if I have to completely put away my rifle to use a hand grenade or knife - they are one-handed supplements to a main weapon on a real battlefield.

Finally, wouldn't ray tracing greatly help destructible environments? If yes, then I'm sold.
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I don't know about the rest o you, but I'm really tired of the following:

1) collision detection problems - is there anything that yanks you out of suspension of disbelief like watching an NPC put their arm through a wall, or see a rifle barrel poke through?

2) The game has supposedly supplied me with shaped charges - so why can't I make my own door in the wall?

3) I just shot that thatched hut with a 120mm anti tank shell - why is it still there?

4) How come there hasn't been a comic book game where the control scheme/camera depends on the super-powers of the individual players? Ex. How about a Superman game where if I want to use heat vision I switch to a first person view, but stay in third person for hand to hand, or flying, etc.?

5) You don't get to call your FPS "realistic" if I can't look down the weapon sights. A corollary would be if I have to completely put away my rifle to use a hand grenade or knife - they are one-handed supplements to a main weapon on a real battlefield.

Finally, wouldn't ray tracing greatly help destructible environments? If yes, then I'm sold.
LOL. True, so very true. Excellent points. Number 1 especially gets me.
    
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I don't know about the rest o you, but I'm really tired of the following:

1) collision detection problems - is there anything that yanks you out of suspension of disbelief like watching an NPC put their arm through a wall, or see a rifle barrel poke through?
As correct as you are, I feel the need to make a point that performing actual collision detection is not possible in real time. What they do now is shortcuts, like having a clipping barrier around an NPC that can't cross objects, which is much easier to calculate penetration points for as both objects are defined explicitly.
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Intel play a massive role in the development of the computer as a whole. AGP, PCI, PCI-E, ATX, BTX.... ive always imagined intel = Hardware & Microsoft = Software.
Pretty much. You don't hear it too often anymore, but there was maybe a ten year period where the x86+Windows platform was commonly referred to as "Wintel" for that very reason.
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I don't know about the rest o you, but I'm really tired of the following:

1) collision detection problems - is there anything that yanks you out of suspension of disbelief like watching an NPC put their arm through a wall, or see a rifle barrel poke through?

2) The game has supposedly supplied me with shaped charges - so why can't I make my own door in the wall?

3) I just shot that thatched hut with a 120mm anti tank shell - why is it still there?

4) How come there hasn't been a comic book game where the control scheme/camera depends on the super-powers of the individual players? Ex. How about a Superman game where if I want to use heat vision I switch to a first person view, but stay in third person for hand to hand, or flying, etc.?

5) You don't get to call your FPS "realistic" if I can't look down the weapon sights. A corollary would be if I have to completely put away my rifle to use a hand grenade or knife - they are one-handed supplements to a main weapon on a real battlefield.

Finally, wouldn't ray tracing greatly help destructible environments? If yes, then I'm sold.
Although its a restate of 1 might want to add 6 :

Did that bullet just somehow come out of a gun held by the guy on the other side of that concrete wall?
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