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Ill use your analogy. If your wheels pop because your rolled onto a nail, is it your fault? No! The wheels should be made out of metal so they dont get punctured....
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can I have a source please? just realized...
seriously, driving into a nail and driving into a pothole are two separate things...
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can I have a source please? just realized...
seriously, driving into a nail and driving into a pothole are two separate things...
You are wrong.

Better analogy:
A car manufacturer make sure their products have a car alarm, chip in key, and LoJack. Car get stolen. You are saying it's the manufacturer fault?
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can I have a source please? just realized...
seriously, driving into a nail and driving into a pothole are two separate things...
Unless the pot hole is the size of the side of the street your driving on, the pot hole can be avoided . Nails are harder to see thus harder to avoid. But the fact remains is that you shouldn't copy a game. How is it one's god given right to copy? Cause not only does pirating lead to less revenue for the company, they have to find a way to keep making money while relying only on one audience. PC. Which in fact that audience most likely(taking a guess) has a bigger piracy rate then their console counter parts.

How would you like it if you made something that can help you make a living but also let people enjoy something? Yea thats great but now people find a way to get your idea that helps you make a living and manage to distribute it in a free manner instead of paying for it. So now all the money you spent on trying to get your idea working is barely breaking even if your lucky.

Whether the company is making ass loads or not, they are spending money so they can keep you entertained, you should atleast give back so they can continue to make entertainment for you.
    
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can I have a source please?
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These are hardcore games, shooters, classic PC audience stuff.
Don't give me that crap, lately pc gamers have been getting the shaft, cod4 for pc doesn't even have prestige mode, doesn't even have a date for the new maps.

Yea i pirate games and i also buy it if i like it. Why the hell should i pay for a game that doesn't work or just flat out sucks. I don't keep games installed that i don't like. And i'd like to think others do the same. Not everyone is out to get you

The research you've seen ? let me guess npd numbers. Which don't count in online sales. I'd like to see his research. I bought cod4 the day it came out and it was the last copy for pc. Not to mention pc games sell for years, unlike console games.
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i like his DRM where he make the game crash if it's pirated. but he should let us know so we don't bash on a game that does not deserve it.

the problem i have with this though is that i use a lot of no-cd crack because i don't like to put a disk in everytime i want to play a game (not a problem with steam anymore).

all this to say that the battle against piracy is an uphill battle they'll never win. just make good games instead of half-assed crap (jericho, i'm looking at you) and you'll sell your game. oh, and a decent cd-key checker for online play would help a lot.
    
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One thing people seem to be over looking is the fact the game was pirated before it was even released!!! To me that is taking it to far.

Better comparsion.

You buy yourself a chinese m/cycle. Its a copy of a nice small honda lets say. It then breaks on you and yoyu complain to honda and will never buy one of theres again cos it broke down and you flame against honda cos its a copy of there bike. But you should really be looking at the guys who copied cos they did a crap job. as here they only did a half hearted job and caused all the problems. If it hadnt been a bad word of mouth then it would have done better.
Record i am not condoning pirating i cant be bothered to much hassle.
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and looking back i so cant be bothered fixing my woeful grammer ha. What did i drink this morning ha
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Pirates just owned them anyways. Game over.

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If you're driving your car on a bumpy road, and your struts crack or leak or whatever, is it your fault for driving on a bumpy road? No! The car should be made from quality parts that can drive on all roads!


So then IRE = CAR and Road = Piracy.
FAIL.

This rebuttal to an analogy referring to rants turned into one. Take this with salt.

Computers are similar to vehicles in the sense of diversity. Certain system builds are designed for certain tasks. Now, why would you expect your vehicle which is designed for the paved road, to traverse an unpaved road or path, when clearly it’s not designed to do so? Your analogy is an attempt to shift the blame from operator’s ignorance to the vehicle’s (or computer’s/software’s) inability to perform tasks you wish it could, but was not designed for.

Developers do not design games that are easy to pirate. It’s their self defense. The rants that ensued after the hastily produced “pirate†version hit the internet are of the spoiled adolescent who expects to receive whatever they want. What they got is something that IRE should be praised for. Upset over illegally modified software that doesn’t function. HAH. If you bought a pirated DVD for $5 on the street and it didn’t work who would you turn to? Would you mail/call the production company and badmouth them, or go back to the peg-leg gypsy you got it from?

I read some prepubescent posts of PO’d pirates online. Then I made the logical decision and purchased the game. Here’s the kicker: I installed it on two of my PCs. My brother and I played through the game on a LAN without a single crash. This idea of sharing is not something IRE would have condoned; otherwise it would be in the EULA. Am I hurting IRE for not purchasing 2 copies? No, but I’m not helping them either.

The idea ( and that’s all it is, an idea) that individuals should be entitled to share said acquired software with whomever wants it is all nice and dandy and frankly, very generous. Yet these folks never acquired the software legally. Online Piracy is a popularity contest. Who can get more hits. Pirate Bay just asked all 12million of its users to tell somebody they know to start using the torrent search engine in hopes on acquiring 30million users. Now why does Pirate Bay want more users? More hits. Why more hits? Lolllzzz. No silly, not because Robin Hood was their childhood hero……Money. Ironically depressing isn’t it. They make money by offering other company’s ideas and creations for free. Indirectly. Who is worse, the Afgan poppy farmer or the Cartel distributing it? Neither.

Video game sales for consoles are dominating PC’s for several reasons. Sony’s PS3 and Microsoft’s XBOX 360 are both sold to the public at losses. That’s right. When the company sells a console, they lose money. These companies make money when medias produced for their platform. Simply put: Undercut a PC’s hardware and then gouge on prices for media licenses. Unfortunately, this backwards thinking is turning a profit for console manufacturers while creating an incentive for developers. The PC vs Console risk assessment for independent developers leans heavily toward to consoles.


PC game development is declining. Now I don’t believe PC Gaming is on the downfall. Look at 12millions Pirates on thepiratebay and the >10 million WoW subscribers. People still play games. But it’s all relative. Sales decline > Development declines > Piracy declines. It’s funny how things come full circle. It’s also sad how good people with good intensions are taken advantage of. If only IRE had the same investments the advertisement whores have.
    
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