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PCPC promoting themself yes but still true. I never liked modular. Unless some brand releases one with pure copper pins and a compensation inverter due to the power loss then sure i'll get one (despite the bending copper pins).

I am a powerphile? haha i like to know that my components are gettting the most stable power possible.
    
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PCPC promoting themself yes but still true.
No. Not true... for the most part. It's words twisted into marketing FUD. They make generalizations and then double-speak forcing you to make false conclusions on your own (so they're not techinically lying to you.)

PC Power "Myths" are epic fail.

There are generalizations made in point 1.
Efficiency is ALWAYS different at different loads with different units.

Good points made in point 2.

Phoney numbers used in point 3.
The only "fact" here is that connectors can come loose and corrode in extreme conditions, but THIS is when "voltage drop as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire" occurs. NOT during normal use in normal conditions.

Generalizations made in point 4.
PC Power's warranty is good, and the fact that it's now 7 years is great, but the most power supplies DO NOT have these clauses in their warranty and you will note that PC Power's warranty, as well as others, still doesn't cover incidental damages.

OLD information is point 5 (note the date of the ExtremeTech article quoted). The Strider they used for comparison had it's rails distributed using an EPS12V server layout. A mistake made by SilverStone, but that's no reason for PC Power to swoop like vultures and use this example and apply it to all non PC Power products.

Generalizations made in point 6.
It is TRUE that an 80MM fan blowing across the components cools better than an up-draft 120MM+, but modern, efficient power supplies don't really NEED this much cooling. The 120MM+ fan is still more than adequate. There's plenty of reviews out there showing 120MM+ cooled PSU's running flawlessly at or above normal operating temperatures at full load.

Generalizations made in point 7.
This "myth" is just plain stupid. No, two fans can cool better than one. But two fans don't hurt. They cite that housing sizes create limitations, yet I've never seen a company hesitate to use a larger housing to accomodate better cooling. The necessity to "spot cool" does not come from poor design. It comes from wanting to provide the best cooling possible for their product while maintaining low noise and a conventional platform.

Down right false information in point 8. They're basing their information on their own mistakes (poor connector distribution across rails on their early 850W effort) and their examples of "trapped power" are completey inaccurate generalizations when compared against modern day, SLI/Crossfire approved power supplies.
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Yup trust Jonny, dude knows his stuff.

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Unless some brand releases one with pure copper pins and a compensation inverter due to the power loss then sure i'll get one (despite the bending copper pins).

I am a powerphile? haha i like to know that my components are gettting the most stable power possible.
I don't think you're a powerphile because it seems like you're basing a lot of what you believe/know on someone's marketing. I think a true powerphile would be someone that has actually done their own research, has solid data and can come to their own conclusions.

Most modular PSU's have copper connectors and even when they have tin connectors, you would have to live by the ocean for connector corrosion to even play a part. Most of your hard drive, motherboard, graphics card, etc. connections are tin. How many of your current connections are corroding?

And you don't need "compensation inverters" because the voltage drop on a modular connector, even when you load it up to double what the connector is designed to deliver, is typically less than 0.01V.

The "most stable power possible" comes from the unit having excellent voltage regulation IN THE FIRST PLACE and can hold up voltages regardless of load with the only variables being the resistance caused by the load itself, wire length and, yes, connector conductivity.
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Wow, thanks for the info on modular plugs, tt_shark. I never knew that they had so much electrical resistance.
 
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Wow, thanks for the info on modular plugs, tt_shark. I never knew that they had so much electrical resistance.
You're being facetious, right?

http://www.motherboards.org/articles/guides/1488_1.html
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Oppps... missed this thread. Would have destroyed the "powerphile" with basic EE facts.
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Oppps... missed this thread. Would have destroyed the "powerphile" with basic EE principles.
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I hope the powerphile at least has the sli version of the Powerstream. The original was junk and neither of them stand up to any psu I would consider good. I'm glad he's looking for a new one.
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wow you guys are great. powerphile as stated knowing that my components have enough power, who said im an electrician here

so why on earth would i run the powerstream sli if i never had sli in the past, seems pretty STUPID having unnecessary components wouldn't you say. Besides i bought my powerstream long BEFORE the sli version was released.

I also did not state that I find the pcpc statements to be my belief, i said to have a look at what i found even stating that i also find it to be "bias"

Thanks for making your own generalisations..
    
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