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post #71 of 97
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Still the same with the veggies I mentioned. The cup of water still isn't generating it's own heat. It's just a little warmer to begin with. I never said for certain the PC would have a condensation problem. But it seems more likely; putting something into the fridge that is warm is different than putting something in that is actually producing its own source of heat.
With lower temperature, the air humidity drops due to the airs lowered capacity for storing moisture (Higher air density. Basic gas law, Pv=RT). Therefore condensation would not form if the freezer was sealed shut and temperatures remain below the dew point.
    
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This Idea = Epic Fail.
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This Idea = Epic Fail.
There is no reason it will not work if the compressors in the freezer are kept cool with a fan. These are the most likely to fail in this test. Second to that is too much heat in the loop and the pipes bursting because the condensor can't dissipate enough heat. Again, a fan can help with that.
    
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I think I see what you are saying. But, a large container of hot water in the freezer will be generating heat for some time. I think he would be ok as long as the door was shut for a long period on time to make sure all the moisture from opening said door was gone.
What I mean by generating heat; is that its a source of heat, as in, the internal energy of the computer is actually making it warmer. It is actually conducting heat (with the original source being the electricity being supplied to the computer). The glass of water, no matter how warm, will become colder in the freezer. What made it warm was the microwave or stove (for example), not the water itself - unlike the computer.

You could very well be right in the fact no condensation will form on the computer while running inside the freezer. I do not know this for certain. But you cannot use a glass of water (or other warm object not generating its own heat) as a point of comparison to the computer, which is actually conducting heat itself.

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With lower temperature, the air humidity drops due to the airs lowered capacity for storing moisture (Higher air density. Basic gas law, Pv=RT). Therefore condensation would not form if the freezer was sealed shut and temperatures remain below the dew point.
Thank you for explaining that a little more.
    
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The other parts of the System will FAIL in -90c conditions...PSU for one, the mobo the other... that is WHY LN2 benchers use POTS to Specifically TARGET the cores in a CPU! (or cores in a GPU).

Even still like Chozart says, -90c is not going to match LN2 anyways, so why bother?

Just eat the -90c ice cream and get the world record in Ice Cream Headache.
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Just eat the -90c ice cream and get the world record in Ice Cream Headache.

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Well, at least hes trying to do something beyond the ordinary to OC, got to give him credit for that!
    
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post #77 of 97
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What I mean by generating heat; is that its a source of heat, as in, the internal energy of the computer is actually making it warmer. It is actually conducting heat (with the original source being the electricity being supplied to the computer). The glass of water, no matter how warm, will become colder in the freezer. What made it warm was the microwave or stove (for example), not the water itself - unlike the computer.
Yes, but thats not the issue here in a short run like this.

Bear in mind that heat transfer is a very SLOW process, so the hot water is still exchanging heat with the surrounding atmosphere at a given rate (Calories/second or Joules per second). Water has a very high specific heat capacity compared to alot of other liquids (4200 J/kg K), so it dissipates alot of heat for a small drop in temperature (For 1kg of water to drop 1 degree Celsius (or kelvin) it must dissipate 4200 joules of heat). Also the MASS of hot water would need to be considered and the TEMPERATURE of the water.

The hot water will be exchanging heat with the cold freezer air at an ever reducing rate as the difference in temperature decreases, however if we take a short slice of time (Eg. 5 minutes), it more or less exchanges heat at the same rate. (Put a hot mug of water and thermometer in your freezer. You will be surprised how long it takes to cool down.)
    
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post #78 of 97
I'm not 100% sure but condensation occurs when the tempurature of the object reaches the dew point tempurature, which varies day by day. Not sure how a freezer affects the dew point. Again, this is speculation, but I'm sure a little research could awnser this question of condensation.
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post #79 of 97
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The other parts of the System will FAIL in -90c conditions...PSU for one, the mobo the other... that is WHY LN2 benchers use POTS to Specifically TARGET the cores in a CPU! (or cores in a GPU).

Even still like Chozart says, -90c is not going to match LN2 anyways, so why bother?

Just eat the -90c ice cream and get the world record in Ice Cream Headache.
The reason they specifically target a CPU or GPU is because the stuff is so expensive and it avoids wasting any (And also some chipsets crack due to thermal contraction if directly dunked into LN2). It also actually helps to reduce the temperature of the CPU for smaller volumes of LN2 (Some systems will not boot under LN2, but cope with LN2 temps in windows).

Cooling the motherboard components may increase voltage stability (Would need to research how capacitor electrolyte performs in lower temperatures - I am no electrical engineer) or other anomalous components others had not thought of.

Whilst it is highly unlikely that someone will break the world record with an un-modded motherboard and an ice cream freezer, it is still providing some useful information, and without research, we wouldn't be where we are today from a technological perspective.
    
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The reason they specifically target a CPU or GPU is because the stuff is so expensive and it avoids wasting any (And also some chipsets crack due to thermal contraction if directly dunked into LN2). It also actually helps to reduce the temperature of the CPU for smaller volumes of LN2 (Some systems will not boot under LN2, but cope with LN2 temps in windows).

Cooling the motherboard components may increase voltage stability (Would need to research how capacitor electrolyte performs in lower temperatures - I am no electrical engineer) or other anomalous components others had not thought of.

Whilst it is highly unlikely that someone will break the world record with an un-modded motherboard and an ice cream freezer, it is still providing some useful information, and without research, we wouldn't be where we are today from a technological perspective.
And in the chipset for this "mobo in the freezer" will not crack from thermal contraction @ -90c?
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