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If you are a "Too Long, Didn't Read" type of person, then this thread isn't for you, and this Rep+ isn't for you.

But, I promise a Rep+ to the person who solves this issue.

I was just in a thread that called for me to open up NVIDIA Control Panel. At the time, I had both CPUID's Hardware Monitor open and Real Temp. Hardware Monitor was opened first.

When I went to right-click on the NVIDIA Control Panel in the System Tray, I got nothing. Then I shrugged my shoulders and said "I'll deal with that after I'm done with this thread." But then my conscience wouldn't let me rest, so I right-clicked on Real Temp on the Task Bar to close it. Again, and as I expected, I got nothing. I tried the same thing with Hardware Monitor, and nothing. It looked like Explorer.exe was locked up.

So, I tried to finish the post, but I gave up and closed Firefox to work on this issue. I tried pressing Ctrl+Shift+Esc for the Task Manager, but I got nothing. That is when I knew something serious was going on.

And then, like an innocent child, I tried closing Hardware Monitor and Real Temp using the close button. Well to my surprise, it worked on Hardware Monitor, but not on Real Temp.

Then I did Ctrl+Alt+Del, Task Manager, and nothing. It just closed that dialog box as though Task Manager had just opened. So, I Ctrl+Alt+Del to shut down the computer.

After clicking on Shut Down, I chose Restart. And then that dialog box disappeared and brought me back to the Windows desktop and it just sat there.

A few moments later, a dialog box appeared saying something about how something couldn't be accomplished since the Windows Station was shutting down. I don't remember if it was an OK button or not, but I clicked on it, and it was gone (at the time, there was only one logical button to push given the dialog).

After that, a dialog box appeared saying that Real Temp was not responding and had the End Now button. I thought it was cool that this was at least happening, so I clicked on it and nothing. A few minutes passed by and it came up again. This happened a good 4 times.

So, I finally lost my patience and hit the reset button.

Upon startup, everything seemed fine until it finished loading about 99% of my programs, and then the BSOD happened.

Immediately following that, I set my overclock to stock. All Auto. Default settings. No tweaks in BIOS whatsoever.

Upon Windows startup, the same thing happened. This cycle continued about 5-6 times, and then I finally got pissed and put it in Safe Mode. Once I was there, I had no idea what to look for. I went to Device Manager, but I didn't know what I was doing. Everything was "working properly", and there was no way to know what was wrong from there, so I just got super depressed and Restarted again.

Then it started up and had the BSOD again. This happened a good 4 times in a row and then out of nowhere Windows boots up just fine. So, I took advantage this opportunity and gave it a healthy reboot. Immediately upon choosing Restart, the Windows XP Critical Stop sound played for about 5ms and then the Windows XP Shutdown Sound interrupted it, and then it shut down to restart. But the "Windows is shutting down" message remained there about 2-3 times longer than normal.

But it rebooted, and I got that BSOD again at the exact same time as the other dozen times or so: just about 1 second before being able to say it was completely done booting up.

Luckily, this bootup I'm using didn't give me the BSOD, so I'm taking advantage of this opportunity to post this question, should I ever be able to use my computer again.

I feel that if I reboot, I'm going to get the BSOD.

Now, here's something very strange that I don't get: When I opened Firefox for the first time since all of this happened, it was as if I had just reformatted and just finished installing Firefox. I mean, I lost everything. I even checked the folder, but it was back to Stock, so to speak. But thankfully, I had my stuff saved on my D:\\ drive from the last format in a little folder I named "Backups". So, that saved me from having do deal with Firefox looking and feeling stupid.

Oh, and my Bass and Treble settings were back at 50%, which is of course the default. But everything else was still at my custom settings in the Creative Control Panel.

I think that covers it pretty well so that you get the clearest picture possible as to what happened.

Could this have something to do with what Real Temp and Hardware Monitor did to my system? And with Firefox, could that have happened because Real Temp had some kind of problem while Firefox was open, which seemed to also cause Explorer.exe to lock up?

Again, I'll Rep+ whoever solves this.


Thank you for reading all of this. It means quite a bit to me.
post #2 of 12
I would start by running memtest on the ram and see if you get errors. Form the sounds of the FireFox dumping, it sounds like some files got corrupted. These symptoms can be from bad ram.
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post #3 of 12
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I just uninstalled Magic Tune Premium, and that seems to have solved it. Is Magic Tune Premium a problem for many people?

Oh, thanks to your suggestion ericoed, I just remembered that I did memtest about a month ago. But should I just run it again? I'm about to reformat since I had so many BSOD's in a row. I mean, I don't know what's messed up now.
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Yea it sounds like your memory just crapped out on you. Windows started doing some similar stuff to me when one of my two sticks died.

If the bios options for your 680i are the same as my 780i, you can setup a memory test there instead of going to the trouble of getting memtest86. That's how I diagnosed my RAM. I can't remember where it is that you can turn on a memtest in the bios, but I remember there being a few options - quick, slow, slowest (or something like that). I ran the slowest option and it failed just a few seconds in.
If you manage to pass that, I would run memtest86 and get a second opinion because it really sounds like your ram just died.
    
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I would uninstall the last thing you installed. I had a problem like this after I installed creative drivers from my other PC via my network. Apparently, the install was corrupt due to slow install from the network and cause a BSOD upon start-up. I booted into safe mode and removed it all. I booted back up, moved the installer to the main rig, installed and was gtg.

Also, you should check memory as that is a major cause of BSOD. if you can boot into safe mode, though, that would lead me to believe it was software related. I have also had many problems with nvidia control panel on one of my other rigs. I would reinstall that as well.

I would start with trying to boot into safe mode and a memtest run on each stick at a time.
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Well, the reason why I uninstalled Magic Tune which came with my monitor, is that I noticed that the BSOD would happen just before I saw its splash screen. I mean, I knew I wasn't going to get a BSOD when I saw that splash screen.

And ever since I've uninstalled it, I have been able to reboot a few times without any problems. But I still think I'm going to reformat just to clean up the mess that this may have caused. I mean, reformatting is nothing to me. That's why I have two hdd's. But I'm also going to run memtest, which I've had practically since the birth of my computer.

And speaking of rebooting, I'm going to reboot again just to see if this is still true.
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I just finished restarting. I also set my overclock back to where it was.

No problems so far. Although, I'm still going to run memtest, and I think I'm still going to reformat. I can't help but think that all those BSOD's made a mess that only a reformat could fix.

I think that if I do reformat, I'm going to see if I can install Magic Tune Premium again without any problems. Do you suppose Magic Tune Premium was the culprit?
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I just finished restarting. I also set my overclock back to where it was.

No problems so far. Although, I'm still going to run memtest, and I think I'm still going to reformat. I can't help but think that all those BSOD's made a mess that only a reformat could fix.

I think that if I do reformat, I'm going to see if I can install Magic Tune Premium again without any problems. Do you suppose Magic Tune Premium was the culprit?
I do a reformat every few months whether it needs it or not. I like to start over fresh and clean once in a while.
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dralb: That sounds like a good idea. Maybe I'll do that tonight. Besides, I usually get a kick out of reformatting. It reminds me of how convenient it is to have all of the things I want to save on the D: drive.

Not only that, but I haven't installed Windows at the speed of my overclocked E8400, and so it might be kinda fun to see how fast it is.

But I did have another question: Do BSOD's tend to make a mess of things that can really only be cleaned up by a reformat?

And I'm still curious about Magic Tune and whether or not anyone has found it to be a problem. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that somebody comes along who's using it in Windows XP Pro SP2.
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dralb: That sounds like a good idea. Maybe I'll do that tonight. Besides, I usually get a kick out of reformatting. It reminds me of how convenient it is to have all of the things I want to save on the D: drive.

Not only that, but I haven't installed Windows at the speed of my overclocked E8400, and so it might be kinda fun to see how fast it is.

But I did have another question: Do BSOD's tend to make a mess of things that can really only be cleaned up by a reformat?

And I'm still curious about Magic Tune and whether or not anyone has found it to be a problem. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that somebody comes along who's using it in Windows XP Pro SP2.
AFAIK, BSOD are just a message that the system is unstable. If you have corrected whatever was causing the BSOD, it is fine. There is no real lasting effect. One of the things I like about reformatting is that I get to delete all the garbage my PC tends to build up over time.



edit: Since a BSOD is caused by either hardware or software, once the hardware is removed/replaced/reset and/or the software id completely removed, they are gone forever.
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