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There are people who prefer XP over vista. XP is better at raw number-crunching, for example. That is, Super Pi, games, etc. For me it was games - 10-15FPS in Resident Evil 4 in vista, 30FPS flat in XP.

If you're going to tell me "Oh, come on; it's such a small difference," then I can tell you now that you're already missing the point. There are people who think that way, and that's why they prefer XP over vista.



Shhhh, you can't say that around here. There are members here who will have a vendetta against you for that

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This is my reasoning as well. Vista simply uses too many other resources to be worth the mild DX10 Upgrade. I mainly game on my computer, and fold. And I can't do either 100% if I have an OS hogging up resources due to poor management of skill integration. Sidebar 640MB or ram just being on anyone? If Vista is so awesome, why would so many sites offer guides on how to tweak it down to a more gamer friendly version? I mean, this is a site that is in the pursuit of performance, and in my case it's in a gamer sense of the word. Every FPS, Every higher setting

And yes, I have used both OS' and found XP to be the better one for me
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For me it was games - 10-15FPS in Resident Evil 4 in vista, 30FPS flat in XP.
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If you're going to tell me "Oh, come on; it's such a small difference,"
Going from 10 to 15 FPS to 30 flat is a 100% to 150% increase going from Vista to XP. I'd wouldn't call that a small difference.

Imo Vista will be a great option in a year or two, when the kind of hardware it runs best on will not only be commonplace, but fairly inexpensive.

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XP > Vista.. Vista is buggy, crappy right now
Ha, another person who has obviously never tried Vista and thinks it's cool to hate.

Anyway, my X64 Vista Business has been far more stable than XP, and superfetch means most apps are slightly quicker.

I agree there were issues at first release, but not now. The only reason not to upgrade is that you can't afford it, you have hardware you know won't work or you simply don't need it (but, if your on OCN, likelyhood is you like the latest and greatest!)
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(but, if your on OCN, likelyhood is you like the latest and greatest!)
Latest and greatest isn't always compatible with best performance
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Case in point.
When I ask them if they have even used before they say a slow no....
I don't know who's feeding all this hate for Vista. Must be all these PC magazines.
Maybe, it's entirely likely that there are un-informed people who hear about the problems and bugs in Vista and just jump on the bandwagon. However, it's also entirely likely that they have reliable information from someone who HAS used it.

Afterall, I have never personally punched my hand through a brick wall, but if someone who has tells me it hurts, I'll go ahead and take his word for it.


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You obviously have not used Vista for any length of time. And if you tried to run it on your sig rig then ofcourse its going to suck. People that say Vista sucks are still trying to run it with a gig of ram and an antiquated cpu and video card. See the dilema here? New OS trying to run on 4+ year old machine.
I have run Vista on my Sig machine, certainly no argument can be made that it is antiquated or not good enough for Vista. Of course, Vista rates it at only a 5.7 out of 10, which really has to tell you something about Vista.

So, hopefully, I won't be flamed for my dislike of Vista.

Afterall, I have used it (disarming one method of dismissing another's opinion) and I also have a machine that should be plenty new enough to disarm any deflection of Vista's shortcomings onto the base machines shortcomings.

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This is my reasoning as well. Vista simply uses too many other resources to be worth the mild DX10 Upgrade. I mainly game on my computer, and fold. And I can't do either 100% if I have an OS hogging up resources due to poor management of skill integration.
Agreed.

My main useage of all my systems is folding, and in conclusive tests of several WUs, over weeks time period, I have proven that Vista folding is slower than XP.

Now, to simply say "Vista sucks" is not quantified of course, and therefore not very useful in evaluating anything. On the same vein, dismissing another person's evaluation of Vista based on their own needs is to disregard discussion. When the #1 reason you have a computer is to run a certain program as fast as possible, any OS that slows it down becomes a liability (Vista). Now, if your only purpose in having a computer is to have the newest OS, with the flashiest look, and nifty little features, than any OS that does not offer this becomes a liability (XP).

Personally, I would love to move right past the standard flaming back and forth about XP and Vista (Almost as pointless as the Ford vs Chevy or Keira Knightley vs Natalie Portman arguments, its personal preference) and dive right into the laughable rule to stop selling XP period.

Normally, a company turning away customers would be silly, and it makes much more sense to continue selling the last OS to anyone that wants it, it's additional revenue for that line. Of course, with Microsoft, they don't NEED to sell their old line and continue making a profit on that line while making a profit on the new line as well, because when they turn away a customer.....that customer has little options but to do as the software giant commands.

Think about it, if you went to your local Nissan dealer and asked to buy the 2007 350Z they had on the side lot, and they said "No, you have to buy one of the 2008 models out there in front." You would likely go somewhere else, somewhere that would allow you to purchase what you wanted. Especially if the 2007 was a color you liked, a color which was no longer available in 2008.

That's not really an option when shopping for an OS.
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Normally, a company turning away customers would be silly, and it makes much more sense to continue selling the last OS to anyone that wants it, it's additional revenue for that line. Of course, with Microsoft, they don't NEED to sell their old line and continue making a profit on that line while making a profit on the new line as well, because when they turn away a customer.....that customer has little options but to do as the software giant commands.

Think about it, if you went to your local Nissan dealer and asked to buy the 2007 350Z they had on the side lot, and they said "No, you have to buy one of the 2008 models out there in front." You would likely go somewhere else, somewhere that would allow you to purchase what you wanted. Especially if the 2007 was a color you liked, a color which was no longer available in 2008.

That's not really an option when shopping for an OS.
I don't know why MS is stopping the sale of XP. All they have to do is raise the price of XP to twice that of the best-selling Vista variant and they've either made themselves even more ridiculously rich, or driven people to Vista. Either way they win, right?

I totally agree though. Any free market should be driven by the demands of the consumer. In a healthy market, with good competition, this is exactly what happens. In a market monopolised by one company, this doesn't happen as much, if at all.

When government corruption ends, so will MS's monopolisation. Vote.

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I can understand downgrading if your PC can't handle Vista's hardware requirements, but why downgrade a PC capable of running Vista. Vista has everything XP has and more. In the end you're still paying for Vista, but only getting XP.
It's just "cool" to be anti-vista. People are scared from new things, they are probably the same guys who didn't want to jump from Windows 98 to XP/2000, they hear one bad stuff about something and voila! their mind is set.
    
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Of course, Vista rates it at only a 5.7 out of 10, which really has to tell you something about Vista.
I just have to throw this in here real quick, thats a 5.7 out of 5.9, not 10...so according to Vista, your computer is pretty high end.
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1GB of RAM is plenty for Vista. I've built rigs with 1GB of RAM and a cheap Athlon X2 and integrated X1200. Perfect budget Vista rig and runs almost as good as my rig before i got RAID.
Fail (imho).

2GB for Vista is a sensible figure.

1GB and Vista does NOT run as it should. Period.
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I just have to throw this in here real quick, thats a 5.7 out of 5.9, not 10...so according to Vista, your computer is pretty high end.
Hehe well pointed out... 5.6 here and loving it.

EDIT my drive is the 5.6 score. 5.9 on everything else.
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