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post #11 of 19
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Looks good..why not an 8800gt or save for a GTX Hah!
What the heck is BFTB and its ample usage?
I think I'm with you on the 8800GT. I didn't find the +$20 deal until today. The ones I was looking at were all +$40-50. On that note, how does the 8800GT 320MB compare to the 9600GT 512MB? Those seemed comparable. I will still probably go with the 8800GT 512MB because it seems like a totally safe bet.

BFTB = Bang For The Buck
5/3/08 Build
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E2160 (9x333) Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L 8800GT 512MB eVGA 2x1GB Ballistix Tracer 800 
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160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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post #12 of 19
I would say that is a nice build for the price, maybe change the PSU such as others have said but the 9600GT is still a pretty good card either way I think its a good rig.

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BFTB = Bang For The Buck
According to ubarn dictionary it stands for "black from the back... meaning one who this is said of has a large backside"
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post #13 of 19
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Damn, I think a whe3ls reply may be enough to get me over my Corsair-whoring! Old habits are hard to break. Corsair was the **** when I built this stupid Shuttle over 4 years ago.

You guys think the 500W Antec Basiq is better than the 530W with pretty lights and the 580W the other posted? I've heard good things about Antec. Will 500W restrict me from going SLI down the road?

I should have mentioned that someday when the prices are dirt cheap, I'll probably max out the CPU and add a second GPU.

I'm really leaning towards that 8800GT for $20 more than the 9600GT. I just keep hearing such good things about the 8800GT. Good things about the 9600GT too but just not as many.
The 8800GT performs about 15-20% better in games than the 9600GT so for only $20 more it's a good move.

However, I would not trust my equipment to a $30 PSU. My Antec True Power died and took my motherboard, memory, and CPU with it. Not fun. I'd stick with the 9600GT and invest in a more reliable PSU, such as this XClio 500W. Skimping on the PSU is the ultimate gamble.

As for adding another video card later, I can tell you this very simply: no you won't. You'll need at least a quality 550W PSU to SLI two 8800GT and you'll need an SLI motherboard, such as the 780i that costs almost 3x as much as the Gigabyte DS3L you picked out. Even if you waste money now on an SLI motherboard and a better PSU, in a couple months when you ask us: "should I get another 8800GT?" our answer will be "no, get the xxxx video card (whatever is the latest greatest at the time) and sell your 8800GT". There's almost always a new generation single card solution that will outperform two old tech cards in SLI.

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I think I'm with you on the 8800GT. I didn't find the +$20 deal until today. The ones I was looking at were all +$40-50. On that note, how does the 8800GT 320MB compare to the 9600GT 512MB? Those seemed comparable. I will still probably go with the 8800GT 512MB because it seems like a totally safe bet.

BFTB = Bang For The Buck
The 8800GTS (G80) 320MB is somewhere between the 7900GT and the 9600GT. It's a decent card but it's not on par with the 9600GT. I'd get the better PSU first, and if there's $ left over go with the 8800GT (which by the way was $15 more expensive just a few hours ago) and if not go with the 9600GT.
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post #14 of 19
annother dib for the Antec BQ and the Ballistixxx
post #15 of 19
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The 8800GT performs about 15-20% better in games than the 9600GT so for only $20 more it's a good move.
I can dig it.

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However, I would not trust my equipment to a $30 PSU. My Antec True Power died and took my motherboard, memory, and CPU with it. Not fun. I'd stick with the 9600GT and invest in a more reliable PSU, such as this XClio 500W. Skimping on the PSU is the ultimate gamble.
But is the Antec Basiq really a $30 PSU? It's listed at $70 with discount and rebate. If I'm too lazy to send in the rebate, I'll essentially be getting a $60 power supply.

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As for adding another video card later, I can tell you this very simply: no you won't. You'll need at least a quality 550W PSU to SLI two 8800GT and you'll need an SLI motherboard, such as the 780i that costs almost 3x as much as the Gigabyte DS3L you picked out. Even if you waste money now on an SLI motherboard and a better PSU, in a couple months when you ask us: "should I get another 8800GT?" our answer will be "no, get the xxxx video card (whatever is the latest greatest at the time) and sell your 8800GT". There's almost always a new generation single card solution that will outperform two old tech cards in SLI.
That is a very good point. I can see upping the CPU later because it would be a cheap upgrade. But I'm sure an 8800GT is going to have some legs for me. By the time I decide that it just isn't cutting it anymore, that would mean that two cards in SLI wouldn't really be much better.

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The 8800GTS (G80) 320MB is somewhere between the 7900GT and the 9600GT. It's a decent card but it's not on par with the 9600GT. I'd get the better PSU first, and if there's $ left over go with the 8800GT (which by the way was $15 more expensive just a few hours ago) and if not go with the 9600GT.
There's definitely money left over. It's more of a pride thing to get the best possible rig for the least possible money. The spirit of OC.

Looks like the cheaper Ballistix sold out. So now it's another $2 for Ballistix over Corsair. But presumably better Ballistix and more deeply discounted.

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model BL2KIT12864AL804 - Retail

$31 ($86 - $25 instant - $30 rebate)

CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4 - Retail

$29 ($79 - $10 instant - $40 rebate)

CORSAIR XMS2 DOMINATOR 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400C4D - Retail
$39 ($99 - $20 instant - $40 rebate)
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E2160 (9x333) Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L 8800GT 512MB eVGA 2x1GB Ballistix Tracer 800 
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160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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post #16 of 19
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I've got this set up and running now. I cannot seem to get 8x400 to work. I've jacked the voltage up and nothing. 9x333 works at stock voltage.

I've considered somewhere in between. I pretty much need to keep the 9 multiplier to make any improvements. I've had to go 8x375 to break even with a stock voltage 9x333. Just doesn't seem worth it even if the FSB can handle 375.

I'm also wondering how I should set my memory multipliers. For 8x400 or 9x333 it's pretty easy. Memory multiplier of 2.0 or 2.4 sets it to 800MHz. Should I keep the 9 multiplier and just slowly increase the FSB from 333 and leave the memory multiplier at 2.4? It doesn't seem to have many options for that. It appears that if I go in between these two, my memory ends up at some weird ratio that doesn't net out cleanly to 800MHz. I assume I should keep it below 800? Or do I bump the FSB slowly and see how far it goes with the memory?

And on this mobo, I can't find jack for setting the RAM timings. I did give the ram +0.3V of juice up from the stock voltage. It seems to be rated up to +0.4V from my stock voltage but I thought I'd just bump it a step below the absolutely max. But I can't figure out how to trim the timings even from reading the good Gigabyte P35 thread on here.

I'll post pics next week when the twins turn 6 months and it's time to dump the camera to Snapfish again.
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160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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post #17 of 19
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And on this mobo, I can't find jack for setting the RAM timings. I did give the ram +0.3V of juice up from the stock voltage. It seems to be rated up to +0.4V from my stock voltage but I thought I'd just bump it a step below the absolutely max. But I can't figure out how to trim the timings even from reading the good Gigabyte P35 thread on here.
"- How do I unlock the ability to modify Memory Timings?

Press CTRL-F1 at the main BIOS screen in order to unlock these settings in the Motherboard Intelligence Tweaker menu."

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1tb WD Caviar Black, 500gb WD Caviar Samsung Windows 7 Home Premium LG W2361V 
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post #18 of 19
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Pics added yesterday. Enjoy!
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E2160 (9x333) Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L 8800GT 512MB eVGA 2x1GB Ballistix Tracer 800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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500W Antec Basiq RaidMax ATX-308 
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E2160 (9x333) Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L 8800GT 512MB eVGA 2x1GB Ballistix Tracer 800 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
160GB SATA + 250GB USB DVD±RW Vista Home Basic 32 22" widescreen + 19" square 
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post #19 of 19
Here's a nice budget Power supply, but works like a charm
http://http://www.newegg.com/product...82E16817153052
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