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You have a point there, I really dont need the hot air inside that case. But I really wanted to make it look clean. What If I create a separator/firewall between the rad and internal components, which would direct the ambient temp air through the front panel without mixing up inside? Let me sketch it out...
Honestly that finite amount of "heat" from the case is NOT going to make a 1C difference at all with a Hcore that large. I've tried experiments with my chevelle (aka Big Momma) core with internal and external air setups. That an a Tri-120mm rad is way overkill for that loop anyhow. I'd either mount it on top with 1 120x38mm high flow fan, and make a duct that encloses the rest of the Hcore so that 1 fan can provide the air flow... or mount it on screws slightly above the top, and mount the 120's on top of it, thus drawing air from the gap above the case.
__That and that 655 is a monster pump, so flow rate alone will compensate for the internal case temp Vs external... good luck!





BTW-... I'm not European per se, but I've always used "WCing" as nomenclature for "water cooling."
    
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Honestly that finite amount of "heat" from the case is NOT going to make a 1C difference at all with a Hcore that large. I've tried experiments with my chevelle (aka Big Momma) core with internal and external air setups. That an a Tri-120mm rad is way overkill for that loop anyhow. I'd either mount it on top with 1 120x38mm high flow fan, and make a duct that encloses the rest of the Hcore so that 1 fan can provide the air flow... or mount it on screws slightly above the top, and mount the 120's on top of it, thus drawing air from the gap above the case.
__That and that 655 is a monster pump, so flow rate alone will compensate for the internal case temp Vs external... good luck!


BTW-... I'm not European per se, but I've always used "WCing" as nomenclature for "water cooling."
Cool! I was actually thinking something like this

Thanks for your input!
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Thats a pretty slick and easy way of doing it...I like that..I like t keep my rad out in the cooler room ambients, and that will do as well...

I'd get the Fuzion block for it, that Apogee has aluminum in it, best to stay away from it...There is a new V2 Fuzion out now, I would look around and grab it...
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Looks great, except for the reservoir: I'm not sure if that pic is exactly how you're going to set it up, but you'll want BOTH tubes going into the res on the same plane... aka the same height and at the bottom, so that the air bubbles will quickly/eventually float to the top. Unless you make some kind of baffle (which slightly impedes flow) that will prevent direct flow exchange from nozzle to nozzle a few bubbles will get pulled back in the loop, BUT over time (like 10-30min or less) the bubbles will filter out.

Also, I'm not sure which direction your flow is going to be, but I'd def put that Res before the pump. I say this b/c: The pump's outlet going into the HCore produces the MOST turbulent flow which means better heat exchange starting directly into the Hcore. If you put the Res before the Hcore = much less turbulence.... But then again your Pump and Hcore are so large that I don't think it would matter at all... but I'm an efficiency stickler.
___Oh and, since the pump is going to churn up any bubbles to even smaller ones, that means there's more of a chance they'll condense in the Hcore and form tiny pockets of air. The res before the pump acts to filter out as much air as possible, before it gets chopped up and forced back into the loop. Since the flow from the WaterBlock to the res will filter out as many bubbles as possible before being introduced into the Hcore which is ON TOP = least path of resistance for air bubbles.

BTW- How large is that case? Man, I didn't even think about it being able to fit a firewall... Nice idea!
    
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It will make more than a couple of C's difference for one simple reason... ambient air. Let's ask yourself this, what it cooler, the ambient air inside your case or the ambient outside your case? When the radiator is mounted outside and pulls outside air through it, this does 2 things... first the cooler ambient air cools the radiator itself and two the cool air the fans pull through are cooler.
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I agree with your rationale, but from my own experience and testing, it won't make that noticeable difference with his setup since the HCore is so massive, it's more than well going to account for the wattage input. That and water's ability to buffer temp spikes so well, his case ambient esp up top isn't going to be THAT much warmer than if it was sitting right on top. Again if it were a much smaller Hcore (25mmx92mm squared) and Pump I would 100% agree with you. But he's using the equivalent of a Summertime 20" Box fan on a heat sink to cool his CPU. 120x3 is MASSIVE BTU dissipation potential.
    
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Looks great, except for the reservoir: I'm not sure if that pic is exactly how you're going to set it up, but you'll want BOTH tubes going into the res on the same plane... aka the same height and at the bottom, so that the air bubbles will quickly/eventually float to the top. Unless you make some kind of baffle (which slightly impedes flow) that will prevent direct flow exchange from nozzle to nozzle a few bubbles will get pulled back in the loop, BUT over time (like 10-30min or less) the bubbles will filter out.

Also, I'm not sure which direction your flow is going to be, but I'd def put that Res before the pump. I say this b/c: The pump's outlet going into the HCore produces the MOST turbulent flow which means better heat exchange starting directly into the Hcore. If you put the Res before the Hcore = much less turbulence.... But then again your Pump and Hcore are so large that I don't think it would matter at all... but I'm an efficiency stickler.
___Oh and, since the pump is going to churn up any bubbles to even smaller ones, that means there's more of a chance they'll condense in the Hcore and form tiny pockets of air. The res before the pump acts to filter out as much air as possible, before it gets chopped up and forced back into the loop. Since the flow from the WaterBlock to the res will filter out as many bubbles as possible before being introduced into the Hcore which is ON TOP = least path of resistance for air bubbles.

BTW- How large is that case? Man, I didn't even think about it being able to fit a firewall... Nice idea!
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22...0c97s166#blank

This is an actual reservoir I bought and it will have in/out at the bottom. It also works as passive cooler because it's made of aluminum.

p.s. The case is full tower atx, so hopefully my firewall idea works. Thanks for your input brother!
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I agree with your rationale, but from my own experience and testing, it won't make that noticeable difference with his setup since the HCore is so massive, it's more than well going to account for the wattage input. That and water's ability to buffer temp spikes so well, his case ambient esp up top isn't going to be THAT much warmer than if it was sitting right on top. Again if it were a much smaller Hcore (25mmx92mm squared) and Pump I would 100% agree with you. But he's using the equivalent of a Summertime 20" Box fan on a heat sink to cool his CPU. 120x3 is MASSIVE BTU dissipation potential.
I got that rad because it does have a great potential for future expansion, hopefully soon after i'm done with this project my friend will decide to install a few more waterblocks. Since I'm gonna use Fesser non-conductive UV antifreeze, what anti-corrosive or other add-ons do I need? This is my first WC setup and I can use as much expert help possible. tnx!
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Whoa whoa... ALUMINUM and ANY copper do NOT MIX! So if you have any copper in that loop and if there's even the tiniest exposed area of that anonized aluminum = That link will be your fate... Sorry bout that...
    
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Whoa whoa... ALUMINUM and ANY copper do NOT MIX! So if you have any copper in that loop and if there's even the tiniest exposed area of that anonized aluminum = That link will be your fate... Sorry bout that...
Can I add any anti-corrossive fluid to the loop to eliminate this problem? Right now I'm holding my Apogee GTX and a reservoir. The block doesnt have a mirror finish and I den't like the way it is put together. Should I lap it asap or just stick with whatever finish I have?

edit: By the way I'm using Feser-one UV reactive non-condutive anti-freeze... is it really as safe on mobo in case of a leak as they say, or is it still gonna destroy the machine?
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