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Yea, but people like gibson shouldn't be on teams now should they? The teams were created for the "little" people who don't have farms like the big boys. Back then, the "little" guys were running single and *gasp* dual core rigs. Now most, if not all teams are running at least one quad and the rest are dual core rigs.

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post #12 of 89
There needs to be an update to the rules.

I like the team competition but I can't participate until there are some rule modifications.
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post #13 of 89
I agree. Using 3/4 cores is just weird- I don't want to mess with that as it is.
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post #14 of 89
not only is it "weird", it defeats the purpose of having a 4th core
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post #15 of 89
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Originally Posted by Havegooda View Post
Yea, but people like gibson shouldn't be on teams now should they? The teams were created for the "little" people who don't have farms like the big boys. Back then, the "little" guys were running single and *gasp* dual core rigs. Now most, if not all teams are running at least one quad and the rest are dual core rigs.

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Actually, none of the teams are running full out quads. The two people you have repeatedly cited in PMs to me are not part of the team competition, despite what the last score update shows (nearly a month old now...simply too many changes being made to teams to keep up with everything in a timely manner).

If you look at the history of folding, not a whole lot has changed in terms of core counts over the last few years. In the old days, the absolute die hards had 30-40 single core systems running. Their farms were truly insane. These days, our top performer has 10 +/- quads going for a similar core count to what was common among top performers several years ago. Of course, there is absolutely no core to core comparsion over the years. The newer gear, particularly with the SMP client, absolutely clobbers older tech. Keeping with the same line of thought, if you looked at our top 20 list 2-3 years ago, I would expect to see similar core counts across the list to what you're seeing today.

As was stated in the post quoted above, the whole point of the team competition was to give the so called "little" guy an avenue to experience the competitive aspects of folding. The more prolific folders of that day were faced with the same choice as folders today in regards to the team competition - to use their full folding capacity folding capacity for the individual competition or to siphon off a portion of their folding power to participate in the team competition. If you look through the ranks of the 2000+ folders that have contributed to the team over the years, you'll notice that there are quite a few with "Team" in the title. Those are the accumulations of the folding capacities of team members beyond the core limits. Folders who choose to dedicate their full folding power to their individual statistics get to enjoy their fast march up the leaderboard, vying for top 20 spots, and other similar fun competitive things. The team competition is specifically geared for those members who can't enjoy that type of competition, and alternately, for those who choose to only claim individual credit for a small enough portion of their folding farm to fit under the core caps.

Quads still reign as king of the hill in production capacity, though like everything that has preceeded them, their days are already numbered. As long as they hold that title and folders have a legitimate shot at top 20 spots, full out quads are not going to be permitted in the team competition as quads really make anything less power than them irrelevant, leaving those folders with "lesser" systems again completely left out of the competitive aspects of folding, which is the whole point of the team folding competition.

I propose this as a compromise - members who fold on a single quad core system and no other computers will be allowed in the team competition, but their points will be capped based on the number of cores they are dedicating to the team. The 8 core per team/3 core per member limit will still apply to keep the "little" guys in the mix, but quad folders will be able to fold on all four cores with their points throttled back for the sake of the team competition. For example, if member X is on a team with four members contributing two cores each, they could fold on their quad with the points throttled back to the level of other 2 core contributors. The same work would for a team that had a mix of core counts among members (e.g. 2x2 cores, 1x1 core, and 1x3 cores to reach the team total of 8). This would only apply to members who fold on a single quad. Anyone who folds on any additional computers would not benefit from this exception as they would already be folding in the top 20.

Would this be attractive to any of you quad folders?
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post #16 of 89
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Actually, none of the teams are running full out quads. The two people you have repeatedly cited in PMs to me are not part of the team competition, despite what the last score update shows (nearly a month old now...simply too many changes being made to teams to keep up with everything in a timely manner).
Actually, if you read what I said more carefully, I never said they were on a team.

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I think that policy made sense a few years ago with most people using dual and single cores. But now, a great many folders ..... *cough* *gibson* .... have multiple quads even, so its about time the policy was updated.
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Yea, but people like gibson shouldn't be on teams now should they? The teams were created for the "little" people who don't have farms like the big boys. Back then, the "little" guys were running single and *gasp* dual core rigs. Now most, if not all teams are running at least one quad and the rest are dual core rigs.
I meant that is WHY they're not on a team. They aren't a little guy.

Whoops, missed what you were talking about. Any idea on an ETA for the April scores?

Could you explain the 4 core thing? Do you cut our productivity in half or some other percentage?

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Could you explain the 4 core thing? Do you cut our productivity in half or some other percentage?

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I'm thinking if we go with this to impose a hard cap on par with what a nicely overclocked C2D could do. A 3.6 GHz E6600 used to push a 1760 point WU at 10 min/percent, which equates to about 2500 points a day. That's probably a bit on the high side, but that's the type of reasoning I'm thinking of using. Either that or take a selection of C2D team folders and go with an average of their daily scores.

The point limit would be imposed in the scoring sheet and would not affect anything that Stanford would record. I'd just have to add a few new features to the scoring sheet to handle this (days between updates, identity of folders using this option, and a check on actual score versus cap).
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post #18 of 89
So if it was capped, the quad users count use dual instances and still have ~2500 points count toward the team?

I like

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post #19 of 89
Don't quote me on the points/day until I check on what our dual core folders have been crunching, but something along those lines. And, again, it would only apply to folders who fold on a single quad and nothing else.
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post #20 of 89
cant you run 2 SMPs, fold one for 37726. and one for anonymous if you are really bothered about folding.
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