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post #31 of 81
It's natural to try and win any competition but unethical business practices aren't the way to do it. Like it has been stated, the average user wouldn't notice the difference between an X2 or a CD2 browsing the web or using office apps. The enthusiast market is small, we as the enthusiast market obviously want the most performance, right now that's Intel. It does seem strange that large OEM manufacturers like Dell/gateway/HP aren't using AMD as it would cut costs, there has to be something more to it. Maybe Intel if offering the better perks, i.e. vacations with golf trips FTW!???
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Well, unfortunately, if AMD was on top, they'd be doing the same thing to win more contracts and business.

I work for a company that "monitors" gifts recieved by its employees from clients and believe me, a lot of stuff gets approved so long as you're high enough in the company. Whoever's at the top will always undergo increased scrutiny - and with good reason.
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i lol'd when i read this. if it is truth then intel will have to drop prices to complete with the newer tech that AMD can develop with the moneyz they win.
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post #34 of 81
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Originally Posted by porschedrifter View Post
Yeah your opinion is a bit skewed. AMD wouldn't be doing so bad if they got those mass production deals that Intel swindled them out of.

Most of the problem is funds for AMD, they don't have the money for R&D to build a better chip like Intel does...
QTF.... If AMD hadn't been denied by Intel (as the allegations state), they possible could have generated much much more revenue that could have been used for R&D there could have been more AMD systems (desktop and server) on the market that when the time came to upgrade, the owners might have wanted to stay with AMD generating more revenue etc. etc. The downward spiral chain of events that Intel's shady business practices could potentially have huge implications for AMD's survivability, depending on how deep Intel went.

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This lawsuit has been in the system for years now. Many people have said that it would amount to nothing but looks like it's steaming ahead.

I'm no fanboy. I go for what's best. However, a lack of competition for Intel would spell trouble for people like me. Go AMD!

Intel should have enough solvency to cover losing a lawsuit such as this.
Lawsuits like this will take years if not decades to resolve. Look at Microsoft, how long did it take? If AMD manages to pull through for the next couple of years and if they win the case, they might be rewarded, what a couple billion? That's a drop in the bucket for Intel, but that's huge for AMD. Let's hope they can even make it that far. The sad part is that the damage has been done - Intel has managed to put way more of their machines out on the market and AMD has managed to ruin their reputation. The final outcome of this whole mess is that we the consumer has to pay the ultimate price - super high prices of CPUs.
    
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If you can't beat 'em.... SUE 'EM!!!
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post #36 of 81
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Even if Intel was secretly scheming, AMD still needs to realize that the primary reason that companies aren't buying their chips is that Intel's are much better (at the moment). It's not that I'm trying to defend Intel, but it seems to me that AMD is making a big scene about a little thing - assuming that AMD isn't just bs-ing the whole thing.


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Originally Posted by mtbiker033 View Post
It's natural to try and win any competition but unethical business practices aren't the way to do it. Like it has been stated, the average user wouldn't notice the difference between an X2 or a CD2 browsing the web or using office apps. The enthusiast market is small, we as the enthusiast market obviously want the most performance, right now that's Intel. It does seem strange that large OEM manufacturers like Dell/gateway/HP aren't using AMD as it would cut costs, there has to be something more to it. Maybe Intel if offering the better perks, i.e. vacations with golf trips FTW!???
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Well, unfortunately, if AMD was on top, they'd be doing the same thing to win more contracts and business.
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If you can't beat 'em.... SUE 'EM!!!
Ok, what you people fail to realize is that this lawsuit was filed in 2005, at this time Athlon64 was by far the best CPU ever but NONE of the main pc makers were using them, this is before Dell or Gateway or ANYONE was putting AMD in thier machines. This was all before any of AMD's troubles and Intel was the evil empire foisting slow cpu's on the unsuspecting public. This was a time when any enthusiast running an Intel was nothing but a misguided fanboy, skt939 was the KING. The C2D was barely a twinkle in some designers eye. These actions by intel are most likely not ocuring anymore as it seems everyone is using a certain amount of AMD chips in thier pc lines, but AMD would not be in the trouble they are if they had a fair chance at the market, which clearly they did not.
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Ok, what you people fail to realize is that this lawsuit was filed in 2005, at this time Athlon64 was by far the best CPU ever but NONE of the main pc makers were using them, this is before Dell or Gateway or ANYONE was putting AMD in thier machines. This was all before any of AMD's troubles and Intel was the evil empire foisting slow cpu's on the unsuspecting public. This was a time when any enthusiast running an Intel was nothing but a misguided fanboy, skt939 was the KING. The C2D was barely a twinkle in some designers eye. These actions by intel are most likely not ocuring anymore as it seems everyone is using a certain amount of AMD chips in thier pc lines, but AMD would not be in the trouble they are if they had a fair chance at the market, which clearly they did not.
Thank you. You saved me from having to tell them like i normally do every single time this discussion comes up, people start talking about CURRENT events. Goes to show how many people actually read the news threads instead of just jumping in and posting their uneducated opinions.
    
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Still sounds like an AMD fanboy versus Intel fanboy argument to me...

We all know that the sides are there... and we all know where it goes from there. In this case, the AMD supporters will continue to plead their case.

My opinion... we'll see what the courts decide (maybe they'll be impartial, maybe they won't...) Either way, everyone has an OPINION... and just because you felt that AMD was superior back then doesn't mean that everyone who still supported Intel did as well (yeah... AMD was better at a few things, yet Intel was more compatible and less fussy about others as I remember...)

We make our own choices... if Intel was wrong back then, the courts will mead out the punishment, if not, you AMD supporters will probably still complain over it. It's a never ending cycle.
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Whether Intel did this or not they would have gained huge markets shares. As of right now and the past year or so Intels chips are just better. It didn't matter if Intel was forcing OEM's to buy their CPU's or not most consumers in the US want the best they can afford, and dollar for dollar Intel hold the crown for the moment. I say AMD should stop crying, take that lawsuit money and put it into R&D, or maybe pay back that money they borrowed from their teary eyed investors. And before the fanboy attacks start... I was using an AMD1200+ for the longest time, it replaced my P3 till I got a P4, and now a C2D. I was not impressed with with the P3, P4, or the 1200+
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Whether Intel did this or not they would have gained huge markets shares. As of right now and the past year or so Intels chips are just better. It didn't matter if Intel was forcing OEM's to buy their CPU's or not most consumers in the US want the best they can afford, and dollar for dollar Intel hold the crown for the moment. I say AMD should stop crying, take that lawsuit money and put it into R&D, or maybe pay back that money they borrowed from their teary eyed investors. And before the fanboy attacks start... I was using an AMD1200+ for the longest time, it replaced my P3 till I got a P4, and now a C2D. I was not impressed with with the P3, P4, or the 1200+
Why are you still talking about current intel chips and the current market situation? Probably because like most others in this thread you didn't actually read beyond the headline and didn't read my post a few spots up this page. No ones talking about Intels current market share, this was about 2005 and the years previous to that when none of the major pc manufacturers would carry the AMD chips, which were superior at the time. If Intel had played fairly instead of intimidating and bribing the pc makers to not use the competition then AMD would be in a better place right now.

This isn't about fanboyism, this is about fair market laws being broken.
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