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Huh?

My point wasn't about their purchase of Taco Bell... it was moreso about Burger King's reaction to Pepsi intruding in their market segment and their subsequent response by changing their soft drink partner due to this "incursion". BK made a decision as to who or what they would carry... thus they had a choice all along.

You are mixing concepts here.
Yeah, I did kinda go out of the way on that one. I get the point you made previously, I just kinda used it from another angle to make a different point, maybe not very elegantly either .

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Ummm.. didn't Blu-Ray just do this exact same thing to HD-DVD? They bought off the distribution network and forced the other to basically not exist...

Are they being sued for that right now? If so.. ok, but I haven't seen word that they are being sued for buying the rights to have their format pushed forward instead of the other.

In other words, this is not an uncommon thing in business and while you may cry foul, legally it must be acceptable because it does happen and nothing changes that it seems. /shrug

I just don't know if they really have a case here... maybe they do, maybe they don't. We all shall see.

I beleive legally this is a different arena. Like was stated before this was an emerging technology/proprietary format and as such I think it's subject to a different set of laws. Also the bluray and hd-dvd people were paying studios to release thier content on an exclusive format. They may have gotten into trouble if they were paying walmart or blockbuster to NOT carry the competition (while walmart and blockbuster did choose sides, they chose, they didn't get paid to do so). When you're talking about IC manufacturing and such as that there are different laws. I promise that what intel is being accused of is illegal or there would be no suit, it would be thrown out on that basis alone. regardless of whether intl is proved innocent or guilty, what they are accused of IS illegal.
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You're talking about adopting new technology vs. 2 competitors competing in an existing market field.

My guess? There's a difference between paying a company to go exclusive with you and strongarming a company to go exclusive with you. Even worse, its different when you're strongarming a company NOT to carry another competitor.
It is still a "business practice" example...

It might have been a competing technology... yet both players were in it for their market share. I see no difference personally. Just my own opinon.

Can you respect somone having a different opinion? There is a similarity in my perspective/opinion hence my reference to it.
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Ummm.. didn't Blu-Ray just do this exact same thing to HD-DVD? They bought off the distribution network and forced the other to basically not exist...

Are they being sued for that right now? If so.. ok, but I haven't seen word that they are being sued for buying the rights to have their format pushed forward instead of the other.

In other words, this is not an uncommon thing in business and while you may cry foul, legally it must be acceptable because it does happen and nothing changes that it seems. /shrug

I just don't know if they really have a case here... maybe they do, maybe they don't. We all shall see.
I think you are confusing the point. It isn't about whether OEM were supporting Intel or not, it was what intel did to ensure that support. The OEM's have every right to choose one over the other for amny different reasons, it is when one of the companies uses illegal practices to ensure their product over the other.
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OK bottom line here seems... there are ALOT of AMD supporters watching this thread attacking on all angles.

I'm not trying to tell all of you that Intel is innocent, yet I haven't proclaimed them guilty either, that is for the courts to decide.

For now, lets just say that they are very competitive in their market and their "marketing" team has done a very good job of keeping the competition at bay.. whether or not their tactics were illegal will yet to be decided.

And in that.. we shall watch. I'll go back to my business as normal now... So no need for anymore more "AMD flames" necessary. I've made my points on the topic and you can agree or disagree... that's on you. We can just agree to disagree...

Either way, I've already stated my peace on it and have spent enough time and typing to it. Therefore I'm done with it... Ok? Thanks.
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It is still a "business practice" example...

It might have been a competing technology... yet both players were in it for their market share. I see no difference personally. Just my own opinon.

Can you respect somone having a different opinion? There is a similarity in my perspective/opinion hence my reference to it.
Ok, this is the crux of the discussion here, this has nothing to do with opinions or perspective, this has to do with what is legal and illegal. I've said many times in my posts that I'm not saying intel is guilty or not guilty, I've been trying to convince people that this isn't about "right and wrong", it's about "legal influence and illegal influence".

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OK bottom line here seems... there are ALOT of AMD supporters watching this thread attacking on all angles.

I'm not trying to tell all of you that Intel is innocent, yet I haven't proclaimed them guilty either, that is for the courts to decide.

For now, lets just say that they are very competitive in their market and their "marketing" team has done a very good job of keeping the competition at bay.. whether or not their tactics were illegal will yet to be decided.

And in that.. we shall watch. I'll go back to my business as normal now... So no need for anymore more "AMD flames" necessary. Ok? Thanks.

Ok, leave the thread if you want, thats perfectly up to you, but to duck out accusing the other side of the argument of being "AMD supporters" and dismissing our posts as "AMD flames" is a total copout and pretty lame really. I am pulling for AMD because I like the undedog and competition is good, but I'm about to build intel and I think the days of them being the evil empire are mostly behind them, I like intel a lot right now.
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OK bottom line here seems... there are ALOT of AMD supporters watching this thread attacking on all angles.

I'm not trying to tell all of you that Intel is innocent, yet I haven't proclaimed them guilty either, that is for the courts to decide.

For now, lets just say that they are very competitive in their market and their "marketing" team has done a very good job of keeping the competition at bay.. whether or not their tactics were illegal will yet to be decided.

And in that.. we shall watch. I'll go back to my business as normal now... So no need for anymore more "AMD flames" necessary. I've made my points on the topic and you can agree or disagree... that's on you. We can just agree to disagree...

Either way, I've already stated my peace on it and have spent enough time and typing to it. Therefore I'm done with it... Ok? Thanks.

No need to take it personally. I am not sticking up for either company, I was just trying to make it clear what the issue is. It isn't about securing market share for your product, it is about using illegal methods to do so. Thats all.
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Ok, leave the thread if you want, thats perfectly up to you, but to duck out accusing the other side of the argument of being "AMD supporters" and dismissing our posts as "AMD flames" is a total copout and pretty lame really. I am pulling for AMD because I like the undedog and competition is good, but I'm about to build intel and I think the days of them being the evil empire are mostly behind them, I like intel a lot right now.
I am not ducking anything...

I've stated my perspective on the topic and I fail to see the point of beating the "not so normally breathing" horse at this point.

We've all got points to agree and disagree to... so really what else can I say about it? You guys can pick apart my words as you like... that's your perogative. I can't stop you from doing that nor convince you to see it my way (not that I desire to do that anyways... you have to make that decision yourself. )

When said I said "AMD Flames"... well, that's kinda what it is. Folks disagree, I present my perspective and the argument just continues. I honestly don't want to argue it to that point. As I said (and you agreed), the courts will make the final decision... until then all of us have our OPINIONS... I can respect yours, I just ask that you respect mine. I think it's kinda lame for some folks to take your words and run with it... but once again, that's just my opinion as well. That's all...

Have a nice day.

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No need to take it personally. I am not sticking up for either company, I was just trying to make it clear what the issue is. It isn't about securing market share for your product, it is about using illegal methods to do so. Thats all.
Nah...

"Taking it personal" is the LAST thing I wanna do. Seriously, do you think this conversation is gonna keep me up at night? Nope... it sure won't.

I just don't want to keep feeding the beast that I see growing. He's already eaten enough in my opinion.

As consistently stated... we'll see if those methods were illegal or not. You and I don't decide that... the courts do. When someone comes back with a news flash that they have been found guilty or innocent, then at that point the folks who are outraged over this can have their moment. But for now, its still too early to make that snap judgement.
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WHO THE HELL SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INTEL PERFORMING BETTER...???

My post directly responded to a statement by that individual poster... please realize the difference.

Learn to read what you are quoting before you accuse... I never mentioned ANYTHING about Intel performance being better than AMD... that wasn't the point of any of my posts.

You fanboy defensiveness has a strong odor... :turd:


I quoted you for showing how Dell carries AMD computers, but that link was from 2008 not 2005. Please tell me how I'm a fanboy and I'll leave the thread.

The huge quotes are for the many many many people in this thread talking about how intel performs better.
    
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It is still a "business practice" example...

It might have been a competing technology... yet both players were in it for their market share. I see no difference personally. Just my own opinon.

Can you respect somone having a different opinion? There is a similarity in my perspective/opinion hence my reference to it.
You're not making your opinion known so much as you're either throwing out an excuse as to why Intel should be allowed to skirt anti-trust rules or you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Either way, regardless of your opinion, what Blu-Ray and HD-DVD did was not illegal. What Intel did was. Please stop with the analogies in a subject matter you have little knowledge in. If you did, I'm sure you'd be able to point to laws and court rulings as to why they are legal or illegal. End of discussion.
    
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I quoted you for showing how Dell carries AMD computers, but that link was from 2008 not 2005. Please tell me how I'm a fanboy and I'll leave the thread.

The huge quotes are for the many many many people in this thread talking about how intel performs better.
Did I call YOU a fanboy... NO, although the more you continue to rant at me sure is starting to make you look like one. Seriously.. chill out mang.

Did I respond to a singular person who posted that "100% of all dell and gateway PC's are Intel only."... YES

Did I not ask that person "BTW.. are you speaking in a "historical" timeframe here?"... YES

Are you one in the same with that person? .... I don't know, most likely not.

So why did you feel that this post was addressed to you in particular and why did you have to start screaming in size 7 text? .... I dunno, but in quoting me, you make it look as if you were directing that part of your commentary to ME.

In either case, I can't help the fact that your response seemed to go way overboard in respect to what I posted. The portion you quoted me as saying wasn't even addressed to you so why get offended by it and insinuate the fanboy namecalling? I did no such thing to you.
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