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I posted a rant about this on another section of OCN yesterday. Browsing through Bioware's forums made me go,"Whaaaaaa?!"

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This whole situation with Securom......blows. Sucks and blows at the same time. It's the suckiest bunch of sucks to have ever sucked.
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Sorry.
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post #72 of 93
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Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro View Post
Why would you say it's "the exact same thing" then right after say why it is exactly NOT the same thing. Thats the whole damn point is that with this scheme you will not be able to play this strictly offline single player game, OFFLINE. And the 3 activation limit is stupid too when it's tied to hardware changes, say you build a new pc to play the game, so theres 1 down, well the pc works for a few days and then the hdd fails, well theres 2, once the hdd is replaced a few days later you find out that it wasn't the hdd it was the mobo, so you RMA that and, opps, now you have to buy the game again.


And the big point is here, SECUROM NEVER WORKS RIGHT! Il2:1946 came out with a version of securom that does nothing more than check the dvd to make sure it's an actual game disk not a virtula drive or a burned disk. Well, come to find out that over half the people who bought it could not play it because securom wouldn't work with thier dvd drives firmware, you either had to update the firmware or if no new firmaware was available, buy a new dvd drive. Also this securom on the 1946 dvd will not work with vista in almost all cases, so everyone with vista who buys this game ends up on the help forums asking wth is going on and guess what we have to do to help them? We have to PM them a link to where to get the CRACKED exe. Thats right, this is the only way to run the securom protected version of that game on vista, when they released the US version they simply removed it because they knew it wasn't working, but there are tons of the euro version still out there causing trouble for legit users every day. This is why this kind of DRM scheme doesn't work, because no software is perfect and when it malfunctions and you can no longer play the game you purchased, well then you have to go to the "enemy" and get a fixed .exe......
Actually I play IL2: 1946 on Vista without a hitch.......
I thought Steam only lets you play for a certain amount of time in offline mode too? Like I said though, I'm not sure. I had high speed internet when I bought HL2...
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post #73 of 93
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2. what's wrong with virtual drives? they have perfectly legitimate uses, ie, browsing throw legally downloaded windows disks for whatever reason, ie reading the EULA or w/e.
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Actually I play IL2: 1946 on Vista without a hitch.......
I thought Steam only lets you play for a certain amount of time in offline mode too? Like I said though, I'm not sure. I had high speed internet when I bought HL2...
Well it's good to meet another il2 fan, you must have got the US version. Like I said in my post they removed the securom entirely in the US release. Go to http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/49310655 , The il2 community help forum, and search for "disk spins" or "securom and firmware" and see how many legit users have had trouble with securom, most of those threads ends with one regular or another posting the words "PM sent", cause we are not allowed to post the link to the crack in public but the mods will PM it to people too cause everyone knows what the problem is.
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2. You are probably trying to use virtual drives you cheap *******.
Typical arrogant legalist attitude. "Look at me! I'm so much better than you because I've never done anything wrong in my life! That makes you a terrible person, you filthy criminal scum! How dare you even mention piracy! You dare disagree with me you cheap [expletive]!?!"
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That is why you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy PC games. You should be forced to play nothing but watered down console ports. It's people like you that are causing these sort of extreme measures, and I'm sick of it.
If you don't like the way the game is distributed/verified, then DON'T PLAY IT. Simple as that.
No, it's companies who screw over legit customers. People who pirate games don't have to deal with all this crap heaped on top of their gaming experience. DRM does nothing to stop piracy, it only drives more people to it.
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DRM does nothing to stop piracy, it only drives more people to it.
QFT!!!!
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post #77 of 93
way to many people are using really bad reasons to justify what they do.. no need to give examples they are fairly blatant.

at least in my opinion very few people who were actually going to buy it are now going to pirate it. As i have said before while it is disappointing/annoying/inconvenient i believe it is a necessary evil, at least when they have one that is effective.

maybe i am HORRIBLE ignorant but i don't think its really possible to key gen an account for games like wow. Which is why i feel all games should use the same type of verification mmos use, Create a login with that cdkey and be required to login to play, even for single player games.
no internet tough luck.. sure some people will be lost because of that but what would be gained would be far greater.

also while i don't believe people who pirate are "evil" or w/e. however, i don't understand why they are so offended when people judge on it... it is a crime...
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Pirates find ways around copy protection and they probably always will. Hell I'm sure a lot of them do it just because they can. My point is that there is no surefire way to stop it.

If game developers what to utilize copy protection in their software that is perfectly acceptable. I see no problem with that in and of itself. However there is a fine line between hampering piracy and inadvertently punishing legit users. Ironically it seems that now legit users are more put off by anti-piricay measures than the actual pirates.
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post #79 of 93
Well I've just read almost all this thread and there are great and crappy points everywhere.

First of all, we all agree that it's nto right that the people that pay for the game are the ones that have to suffer from the anti-piracy policies, and then see the pirate game work even better than the original copy. That's just not right.

Then about this system, it makes totaly no sense. Well tbh there's nothing that cannot be cracked nowadays (you can buy pirate cars made on china, illegal iPhones and whatever you want) but there are usefull methods to make the companies increase their income. Here are my thoughts in this:

First of all, the best way I can think to slow down the piracy of games (to avoid day 0 piracy) it's make them all online and server based, like MMO's, even if this don't let you play offline for long (or maybe a solution alike steam, but that can also be pirated easily) . Just you have the game data in your HD but have to go onnline to get the "events" or the paths of the npc's, even if it's a single player game. Along with this lines they could also make the game cheaper in the release date and then charge a bit more, but not much, as server support fee. I know you are gonna call me crazy for this, but I think this would be a much better way to do this stuff.

Second I think game developers should work on better games, because the games that are really good get a reward for part of the customers (see wow, GTA4 or COD4 for example) and become less afraid of piracy, because piracy WILL happen, ever. And it don't matters what they do, so they should focus on make things easier and mroe rewarding for all those that pay for the game.

i think I've got a bit lost on my explanation and points.... I should get some sleep =P

also I'm gonna w8 to see how this develops in the end before deciding if I'm getting the game or not...
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maybe i am HORRIBLE ignorant but i don't think its really possible to key gen an account for games like wow. Which is why i feel all games should use the same type of verification mmos use, Create a login with that cdkey and be required to login to play, even for single player games.

these are exactly my thoughts =)
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