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Most pirates wouldn't steal a car or a television because they didn't agree with the pricetag, they would just not buy the product. However, it's a totally different story when you're trying to steal a large physical object like a car or TV, rather than downloading a cracked game with a few clicks of the mouse.
Another reason is that someone loses a car or a physical object when you steal them. When you pirate a game, you are not "taking" anything from anybody. They are no worse off than if you didn't take it. In that sense, they are not ethically equivalent.
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The argument hinges on some unusual legal logic: Blizzard’s EULA allows users who accept the agreement to make a copy of the game in their RAM, but people who accept but violate the agreement and still make a copy of the game in their RAM are copyright infringers.
Can somebody explain this to me? it doesn't make sense... or did they word it incorrectly?
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I agree with you Hrnygoat but to a certain point.

In a single-player experience cheat all you want it only effects you. If you want to buy or download a trainer knock yourself out. In a multi-player experience where companies want a level playing field is where I draw the line. Then it affects other people. PvP, PvE, ect become affected because you have a user who has risen to higher ranks that others cannot get through normal game mechanics. I am not talking about leveling faster I am also including hacks into this.
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Another reason is that someone loses a car or a physical object when you steal them. When you pirate a game, you are not "taking" anything from anybody. They are no worse off than if you didn't take it. In that sense, they are not ethically equivalent.
That's faulty logic. Just because a thought isn't a physical entity doesn't mean it's of any less value than a car or television. The price of a product is based upon the cost of the resources used in assembling the product along with what the creators determine is an accurate cost equivalent of the effort, manpower, and ideas used to create the product.

A game is no different. When you buy a game, that means that you're paying for what the creators determine is a cost reflective of the energy, resources, and ideas used to create a game. If you choose to not pay that cost and download a pirated version, you are "taking" the energy, resources, and ideas used by the creators. By your logic, pirating doesn't leave anyone at a loss, which is obviously untrue, since you've robbed the creators of their time, their ability, and their creativity.
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A game is no different. When you buy a game, that means that you're paying for what the creators determine is a cost reflective of the energy, resources, and ideas used to create a game. If you choose to not pay that cost and download a pirated version, you are "taking" the energy, resources, and ideas used by the creators. By your logic, pirating doesn't leave anyone at a loss, which is obviously untrue, since you've robbed the creators of their time, their ability, and their creativity.
I agree with this, only time where I believe that downloading a game is fine, is if you all ready payed for the product and set disc doesn't work, and that's the only time. Also considering how much work is actually put into making a video game, I think a $50 price tag of a video game is a generous offer by the developers.
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I agree with this, only time where I believe that downloading a game is if you all ready payed for the product and set disc doesn't work, and that's the only time. Also considering how much work is actually put into making a video game, I think a $50 price tag of a video game is a generous offer by the developers.
Fully agree. That reasoning is why you're allowed to make backup copies of music, movies, etc. The problem is that most of those "backup discs" were being distributed free of charge, which is why it's near impossible to copy movies and games nowadays.

I take a particular interest in issues of piracy, since I'm going to college for special effects/gaming/animation, and plan on creating video games later on.
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Fully agree. That reasoning is why you're allowed to make backup copies of music, movies, etc. The problem is that most of those "backup discs" were being distributed free of charge, which is why it's near impossible to copy movies and games nowadays.

I take a particular interest in issues of piracy, since I'm going to college for special effects/gaming/animation, and plan on creating video games later on.
As much as I wish this was true its not. I think thats why its a major issue. No matter what encryption protection you have someone will find a way around it. There seems to be no limit as to what they will go through up to and including pulling out CD drives just to play a game?? Which boggles my mind the time it would take me to go through something like this is worth way more to me than the 50 I would be saving. Not to mention what if a patch is released and you have to figure things out all over again.

Anyways I just think the tenacity of pirate's and the crack groups who actually crack the software will always keep place with the protection used.
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Can somebody explain this to me? it doesn't make sense... or did they word it incorrectly?

What this whole thing is about is that Blizzard want copyright laws changed so they can legal ban Glider on WoW. Blizzard say, you hold a license for the game not own it, therefore copying it in any shape or form is theoretically *illegal* and breaking their TnC's

Which would mean anyone who plays WoW is breaking the copyright law but more importantly to blizzard, there TnC's. Since glider does not actualy change what is on the disk or anything to do with WoW, blizzard cant make it illegal.

Blizzard want to change it somehow so they can make more money by making it illegal to glide. What they don't realise is that Glider has sold over 100,000 copies (dont forget the pirated ones/shared cd keys) all play £9 a month. Thats £900,000 a month from them botters, if they make glider illegal, pretty much all of them botter will stop playing. Thats almost £1,000,000 profit a month gone.
    
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The main thing, for me at least, is that you pay $50+ dollars for a game that lets say you never tried (no demos or no friends have it or whatever), they made it impossible to take a game back. Most games within an hour or so I can tell if I'm going to want to play or not. So any game I ever pirated I'll play for an hour or so then if I like it, I'll go buy it, if not I delete it. First time i played wow was on a private server, now I've been playing it for 2 1/2 years. ( I play no game for the single player so usually pirated versions don't do me any good anyways, I hit level 50 in halo 2/3 yet never played through either campaign)


And to the people arguing stealing a car isn't different then stealing a game online just because your stealing from a person over a corporation. You see a baby on the sidewalk licking a lollipop, you steal it and the baby crys, go steal that same lollipop from wal-mart, are they going to cry?
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The problem with piracy is simple human selfishness. The most common excuse I've heard is that they don't want to have to pay for a $50+ game, plain and simple. Another more convoluted excuse is that they don't believe a game is worth the $50 pricetag that the developers/publishers/retailers slap onto the box. If that's the case, then don't buy the game and be done with it. Most pirates wouldn't steal a car or a television because they didn't agree with the pricetag, they would just not buy the product. However, it's a totally different story when you're trying to steal a large physical object like a car or TV, rather than downloading a cracked game with a few clicks of the mouse.
LOL.. you are very wrong dude..

People crack games and pirate them just to do it.. to prove it can be done..

Please stop copy/pasting stuff from the wiki... it's kinda sad and monotonous.
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