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Originally Posted by Sekigahara View Post
There's no doubt that piracy can't be 100% eradicated, but that doesn't mean we should just throw in the towel. New means of DRM are ways to plan ahead, although there has been way too much incrimination on the rights of the consumer with a lot of the methods used by companies and organizations like the RIAA. There was a post in news not too long ago from a game developer who was from a now-dead company that said the same thing with the impact on consumers, as well. Hell, if me "ranting" on an overclocking forum is enough to change the way one person views about piracy, then that's one more person doing what's right.
Nothing is uncrackable or unhackable. All DRM does is cause headaches for the people who actually buy the thing. Bioshock was an excellent example of that. DRM music was another fiasco.

I'm not saying everything should be protection free, but there needs to be a balance between protection and how intrusive it is to the consumer. They've failed pretty badly at that, so far.

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And if comparing physical theft to piracy is laughable, then so is your sense of value.
All the companies lose when someone pirates a game is a potential sale. That's far different than going out and jacking one off the shelf. To sum up my thoughts, I'll just quote that other guy:

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I've never tried to classify my piracy as anything besides theft. It is theft, but the theft of intellectual property is fundamentally different, in certain aspects, than the theft of material goods (which I have done in the past as well). With physical goods, their is a finite amount, made from finite materials, that have a singificant cost of creation and distribution in and of themselves. Every single physical copy of a game (or the like) that does not sell is a waste of that material and labor cost. On the other hand, purely digital theft, like the majority of software piracy, can only cost the creator if the thief would be willing to fork over the cost of the licence were an illicity copy not available. Digital theft is more often a "victimless" crime than material theft. I can pirate, lets say Photoshop CS, and use it to draw stick figures, and never harm Adobe, as their is no way in hell I would ever buy Photoshop CS at any price. I prefer GIMP anyway. It may not be fair, but it's certainly not going to hurt anyone. On the other hand, if I steal the Photoshop CS box off the shelf of OfficeMax (even if I intend to never open it), Adobe/OfficeMax loses the cost of the box, manual, media, and shipping.


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"Blizzard’s EULA allows users who accept the agreement to make a copy of the game in their RAM, but people who accept but violate the agreement and still make a copy of the game in their RAM are copyright infringers."
They're saying that you're allowed to have a copy of the game in your RAM if you follow the EULA, but if you break it, you are no longer allowed to, thus being deemed a "copyright infringer" for still having it in your RAM.
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I basically live off of used games because my income simply cannot afford paying $60 for a game and after 5 games costing more than my computer. That is ludicrous (speed.)
    
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Another reason is that someone loses a car or a physical object when you steal them. When you pirate a game, you are not "taking" anything from anybody. They are no worse off than if you didn't take it. In that sense, they are not ethically equivalent.
If I were to take your freedoms, would that be ok? I mean, they aren't tangible things, you'd never miss them.

Think before you speak.
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If I were to take your freedoms, would that be ok? I mean, they aren't tangible things, you'd never miss them.

Think before you speak.
Horrible analogy.

That's almost as bad as MPAA's new ad campaign: "You wouldn't steal a car, so why would you download a movie?"
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If I were to take your freedoms, would that be ok? I mean, they aren't tangible things, you'd never miss them.

Think before you speak.
Because freedoms, rights and obligations are commercial products just like software...

You should take your own advice about thinking before speaking.
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Anyone remember the Bioshock PC debacle? That would never of existed without pirating. I think it kills thats just my opinion though.
Actually, if company's realized that the amount of pirates is tiny compared to how many people actually compared to the amount of people who brought the game, and even if all the pirates brought the game, the amount they spend on Anti Pirate measures wouldn't even come near to the amount they'd spend on new ways to "combat" piracy.

Not to mention, anything can be cracked, given a certain amount of time, the only way to make something uncrackable, is to force update the thing that people want cracked, and even then, you can just stop the auto update with your firewall, etc.
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This reminds me of when Metallica was trying to attacking internet share-ware. Blizzard is really starting to piss me off. Don't get me wrong, I like their games but I hate their attitude about BS like this.
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Theft/piracy can, and should (well if you like anything resembling a stable economy), be limited and controled. I just don't think many people/businesses go about it in a realistic manner.

Methods that alienate customers, or potential customers, are self-defeating. Most DRM qualifies. Any product that is usable enough to sell is vulnerable enough to be stolen. The prevalence of piracy and the nigh non-existant delay between new forms of copy protection and the crack for them make this self-evident.

Many compaines waste significant time, money, and effort on DRM, or other copy protection, for less than nothing.

Take Bethesda and their Elder Scrolls games. Not one whit of copy protection on the Morrowind or Oblivion discs. They still sold quite well. I bought them, and won't hesitate to buy from the company again. Being able to make an archival copy without massive hassle is a decent selling point in my books.

On the other hand, my experiences with ATARI and The Witcher have been horrible. The copy protection I mentioned before made the game virtually unusable for me, and I don't like being dependent on a single physical CD, that if damaged or lost, will take a significant hassle to replace. What's more, I was able to get by the copy protection and make an disc image I can mount to solve all of my problems. Ironically, I spent more money on the copy of D-Tools Pro than I did on The Witcher. I doubt I will be giving Atari any more business for a while.

This type of thing is why DRM can't win. It's so annoying that there is as large a market for ways around it as their is for it.

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Originally Posted by Sekigahara View Post
Hell, if me "ranting" on an overclocking forum is enough to change the way one person views about piracy
No offense, but I would be very surprised if it was.
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Your making it out to be way more than it is man.

Me ? I download cracked games ? Proof please ? Please don't call me a pirate'd software user..

Believe me.. people do not play/download cracked games JUST to AVOID paying the price...

when i was growing up.. it was the cool thing to do... having cracked / pirated games were like having awesome rare baseball cards...

it's kind of an art form if you think about it outside the box... but then again... you and countless others just follow the mold and label people based on what you read on a forum or a news post....stop trying to be idealistic.
Wow. Now it's an artform. Pretentious much? I'm gonna have to add that to the master excuse list.
And where would we be, if we didn't have at least a few ideals?
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Blizzard may be successful at producing crack-like video games, but this just proves they are a bunch of money grubbers if this is true. It's bad enough they do monthly subscription crap...
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