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are the 10k rpms drive worth the buy over the 7200's? is there a noticeable difference? and also what is "raid 0"
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are the 10k rpms drive worth the buy over the 7200's?
Single drive to single drive, it depends... Some of the newer 7200 SATA drives come very close in performance to a Raptor at a price that definitely makes them an attractive purchase versus performance.

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is there a noticeable difference?
Depends... the initial seek time of a Raptor is faster, however the sustained read/write times of the 7200 SATA drives in some cases is faster than a Raptor. It just depends on what you are doing.

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and also what is "raid 0"
I'd suggest that you go read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

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Raid 0

Striped set without parity/[Non-Redundant Array]. Provides improved performance and additional storage but no fault tolerance. Any disk failure destroys the array, which becomes more likely with more disks in the array. A single disk failure destroys the entire array because when data is written to a RAID 0 drive, the data is broken into fragments. The number of fragments is dictated by the number of disks in the drive. The fragments are written to their respective disks simultaneously on the same sector. This allows smaller sections of the entire chunk of data to be read off the drive in parallel, giving this type of arrangement huge bandwidth. RAID 0 does not implement error checking so any error is unrecoverable. More disks in the array means higher bandwidth, but greater risk of data loss.
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Single drive to single drive, it depends... Some of the newer 7200 SATA drives come very close in performance to a Raptor at a price that definitely makes them an attractive purchase versus performance.
However, the upcoming VelociRaptor is far beyond any current 7200RPM drive. It is 40% faster!

Here's another good site on RAID with visual aids: www.acnc.com/raid.html
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Depends on what you consider "worth the buy".

Most consumer level 10k rpm drives (i.e. WD raptors), are only slightly faster, overall, than a recent, good 7200rpm drive. In many areas the newest 7,200rpm drives are faster than the raptors. You will also get about three to five times as much space per dollar.

The newest 10k rpm raptors, the Velociraptor, is a substantal improvement over the older raptors, and is all round faster than any 7,200rpm drive. However, the difference in many real world tasks is still not huge, but the cost is.

The reason lower RPM drives are able to compete is because they tend to have much higher areal density on their platters. Essentially more data goes under the read/write heads with each rotation, because the bits are packed closer together. They cannot beat the random access times of the 10k rpm drives, but acess times are only one factor among many.

The best value among drives right now are the new 7,200rpm WD drives with 320GB platters, the Samsung Spinpoint F1s (334GB platter size), and the Seagate 7200.11s, or revised 7200.10s (250GB platters). All of these drives are quite fast and have transfer rates that will match, or beat, most 10k rpm drives. As noted, they do lag behind the 10k rpm drives in access times, but overall performance is usually not far off.

RAID 0 is essentially running two (or more) drives in tandem for twice (or more) the theoretical transfer speeds. Data is split into chunks which are split between the various drives. Pros are improved performance. Cons are increased chances of failure and data loss. When any drive in the RAID 0 is lost, all (or nearly all) data is lost.
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Raptor's are a waste of money at this point, if anything go for a velociraptor.
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i see so im leaning twards sata now and raid sounds kinda scary... but how often do errors occur and when it means destroys the array does that mean it kills the HD im off to read your link now okay so id like to ask a favor ive got 0-150$ to spend on a hardrive can you point me in a fast direction? [new egg] thanks!
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There are many possible errors that can occur. If a drive dies, you loose all your data, on all the drives in the RAID 0, but the other drives are not physically damaged and can be used again. If it's simple data corruption that makes one drive unusable, again, you lose all of your data, but the drives themselves are probably fine and can be used again.

I've lost RAID 0 arrays before. Given quality drives, a 100% stable system, and proper care/caution when doing things that could potentially corrupt data, the risk is fairly small for a two drive RAID 0.

I would generally avoid putting brand new drives into a RAID 0, because most drives that fail fail while they are new, or around the time the warranty expires. Very few drives that have been used for a few thousand hours just fail out of the blue. Not banging around the system and keeping drives between 30C and 45C is generally a good idea as well.
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However, the upcoming VelociRaptor is far beyond any current 7200RPM drive. It is 40% faster!
If you have the money to spend on one of them, then go for it...

However, performance versus price, it's not worth it (in my opinion). Maybe after the "newness" wears off, and the price comes down a bit, that stance will change.

The OP asked is it "worth" it... so in all fairness, that really does DEPEND based on how much you want to spend, and how much additional cost takes away from the "bang for the buck" factor.

I probably should have said "Current generation" Raptor in my initial response.. please pardon that being left out.
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i see so im leaning twards sata now and raid sounds kinda scary... but how often do errors occur and when it means destroys the array does that mean it kills the HD im off to read your link now okay so id like to ask a favor ive got 0-150$ to spend on a hardrive can you point me in a fast direction? [new egg] thanks!
If you only have $150 or less to spend, then I'd recommend this drive: 750 GB Seagate 7200.11 SATA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148298


You'd get tons of space, very fast read/write and seek times plus it won't break your budget or risk your data in a RAID 0 array (I'm not a big fan of RAID, but I don't fault the folks who are advocates of it...)
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kk thats neat but isnt 750 gigs more then ill ever need? and the reviews say its noisy.. but other then that it looks great but i might downgrade to a 500 gig after reading all this about raid 0 is it a great deal fasteR? and when it does encounter an error is the hard dive still usable after all the data is destoried..? and how often do these errors occur or is it completely random maybe the first day you get it or not one for 10 years?
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