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If this is true,it should be quite amusing to see how the Intel fanboys defend this.
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If true...AMD here I come.

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There's always AMD, Running 700Mhz above stock is better than running @ stock...

And this does seem like something Intel would do, after the Pentium MMX, etc thing of selling them overclocked...
Yes there is always AMD, my first OC...

Hell, maybe it's time to create the killerhz CPU called "khz" I am not to worried, I just read some posts over at xtremesystems and they have an intel rep who says"
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n moving the entire northbridge on die, Intel has a way to reduce cost and power usage on mainstream platforms, something which 98% of the users of those systems will greatly appreciate. Because of this, there are no longer levers for this community to raise clock speeds.

because of this fact, and the want to not alienate this community. Intel developed the Bloomfield based platforms specifically for this community. Everyone else keeps seeing this as the other way around. As if they could have extended the Bloomfield platform down to the mainstream end, where the features wouldn't be useful to anyone other then those who are looking for overclocking potential on the cheap, and to sell this platform to that market they would have to operate at somewhat of a loss in profitability. This community is the only reason there even is a Bloomfield platform. Otherwise Tylersburg would be completely limited to MP and DP platforms only and there would be absolutely no OC'ing at all. It is due to the fact that Intel does want to keep this community support that they tweaked their server chipset to support the wants of the people here.

Just keep it in mind, there was a choice made. That choice was not to screw people out of their hobby. The choice was to continue actively supporting this community with the best possible systems for getting the best performance from your system. They created a platform based on high performance server components that has the ability to overclock, 3 channel memory controllers, and support 2x16 PCIe 2.0
I guess we will have to wait and see...

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Originally Posted by jameskelsey View Post
If this is true,it should be quite amusing to see how the Intel fanboys defend this.
Easy big guy, because I prefer Intel doesn't mean that I am what you call a "fanboy". just an enthusiast like you.
Edited by killerhz - 5/10/08 at 5:32pm
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I think everyone should have a gander in the thread I linked to, it contains insight from an Intel employee on this debacle amongst other things.

Even if it is true, LGA1366 is NOT exclusively an 'Extreme Edition' socket, never was said to be, never will be, no matter what the FudZ says. Even if LGA1160 is locked, 1366 doesn't need to be insanely priced. It's just a baseless assumption to think 1366 will be all Extreme Edition, Skulltrail, etc, because it's more nuanced than that.
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If they do ill move to amd for the pure principle of it all, heck even now I want to build a amd rig based on spider, just cant bring myself to cough up the money though when this rig is doing me fine.
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fanboys will bawwwwww
    
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Why does everything big always screw up in the end? nVidia released G80, which is still the fastest single processor out, and then sat back literally renaming their old products instead of punishing ATI, Nazi Germany looked like it was going to win the war when it decided to invade Russia, and now Intel is about to release a new architecture that could possibly finish AMD and what do they do? Try and milk their loyal customers for every last penny!

All AMD has to do with their 45nm Phenoms is keep the price steady and offer similar performance from their high end ($200-250 ) to match 1160 and AMD is back to where they were when they released Athlon 64!

This is going to be a good year for AMD!
    
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If this is true,it should be quite amusing to see how the Intel fanboys defend this.
I, for one, will definitely not defend this. If it's true, hellooo AMD!
 
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These rumours are starting to sound plausible to me.

At present, everyone assumes that Intel moving the MCH onto the CPU itself will simply be their equivilent of the transistion AMD made with the Athlon 64. At present, AMD CPU's now have the HTT link which connects the graphics card, main system RAM, and devices that communicate through the chipset, directly to the CPU. AMD's implementation allows the user to alter the internal CPU FSB, and the HT link, provided the motherboard BIOS has the appropriate options. In short, there are two seperate data bus's, the CPU bus and HTT link.

However, when Intel move the MCH onto the CPU, they may very well have a single bus that controls the speed of the CPU, the main system memory, graphics card, and devices linked to the ICH (Southbridge). This basically means that their would be one main data bus. Obviously all subsiduary data bus's, such as the ageing PCI bus, would communicate with the CPU via the chipset.

At the very least this should have some effect on production costs that may in turn effec how much Nehalem CPU's will retail for. I'm sure that power requirements would be lowered somewhat but there's no way to tell at present whether they would be lowered by any significant ammount.

To sum up my opinion, if this turns out to be true it will all boil down to good old fashioned price and performance. If a new Intel CPU performs better than an overclocked AMD that costs the same amount of money, I'll go Intel, otherwise it's AMD. Nevertheless there's not much more that can be said on the matter until more information is released.
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