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post #31 of 89
So it seems that Bloomfield can be overclocked, it's just LGA1160 processors that (might) be locked.

Just looking at some of the rigs people have on this site, I'd estimate that quite a few people here (who are a good representation of enthusiasts) are running pretty high-end hardware. May setups probably cost around $400-$500 for a CPU and motherboard alone, and those users would likely be willing to do it again if the performance is right. The only enthusiasts Intel is losing are overclockers on a budget, who aren't even a majority in the tiny minority that we already are.

Of course, someone is going to bring up DDR3 prices. Given how high Intel has pushed its FSB, it's entirely possible that the speeds offered by DDR3 won't seem all that ridiculous for overclocking by then either - we've already got 1600MHz FSB Core-architecture processors, which means the enthusiast standard DDR2 800 RAM is going to have to be overclocked just to overclock the processor at all. Of course, that may or may not apply to Bloomfield - I have no idea what sort of system clock Intel is going to be using, so that's up in the air. But the fact of the matter is, DDR3 is an optional enthusiast method right now. There are no native DDR3 setups on the market right now, only boards that support it. AMD has AM3 in the works however, and Intel is moving to DDR3 with Nehalem as well. I don't know how many people remember this, but back when AMD switched to AM2 and Intel released the Core 2 Duo, DDR2 prices actually dropped significantly. Why this happened is the realm of economists, but I do distinctly remember it happening. It's also the time that DDR2 speeds started seriously jumping up to the point where they were actually faster than DDR. Granted, the prices actually shot up sometime in August or September, but there were lawsuits about that.

My point is, once DDR3 no longer becomes some crazy enthusiast option, prices are likely to drop. They've done it before at least.

So all in all, I'm not sure what all the complaining is about, at least not from people with $200+ motherboards and $200+ processors. You paid that much once, and if the product is good enough, you'll do it again. I know I certainly will (I got my E6600 shortly after launch, my CPU and motherboard were around $450 or so). I do hope AMD manages to take back the budget sector. Hell, I hope they get competitive and actually make me puzzle over exactly what processor I want to upgrade to in a year.
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To sum up my opinion, if this turns out to be true it will all boil down to good old fashioned price and performance. If a new Intel CPU performs better than an overclocked AMD that costs the same amount of money, I'll go Intel, otherwise it's AMD. Nevertheless there's not much more that can be said on the matter until more information is released.
Honestly I'd take AMD. I like to tinker. I enjoy trying different things. "What if I do this?" How does a lower multi and higher FSB affect things. Higher multi and lower FSB. etc. etc. etc.

I can understand Intel's point. But if this happens I will drop them like a bag of poo.
    
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post #33 of 89
Well a few things:

1.) Its FUD but its also from other sources

2.) If Intel tries to do this and force us to buy more expensive chips I WILL be telling them to fug right off and go back to AMD

3.) I've always liked AMD more than Intel...this is really my first Intel rig in YEARS and even though Intel is taking the lead right at this moment things may soon be changing...although I don't know how I feel about switching over completely (ATI Cards versus Nvidia...hmmm )
    
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I can understand Intel's point. But if this happens I will drop them like a bag of poo.
Seconded, if this is true my next socket will be from amd.
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post #35 of 89
Why are nvidia and intel being so retarded lately? Whatever, if this is as bad as it seems, I'd have no problem going AMD.
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I agree. This will be HORRIBLE for intel... they will have to reverse engineer everything they did for nahelem just to get back marketshare that AMD will quite literally tear away from it. AMD is VERY hungry... intel is just a big fat pig sitting on its laurels, haha. Well, sorta. Anyways, back to the point.. horrible move intel... horrible move!
I doubt that. Let's remember how small the enthusiast/overclocking market is.
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If this does turn out to be true, then its a very bad move by Intel, people are only buying Intel's atm because of thier overclockability. You can find stock AMD's that rival stock Intel's..

Stupid idea.
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post #39 of 89
Oh come on...you Intel users act surprised. You know as well as I do that they were going to do this.

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If this does turn out to be true, then its a very bad move by Intel, people are only buying Intel's atm because of thier overclockability. You can find stock AMD's that rival stock Intel's..

Stupid idea.
The following is just loose figures and innuendo for the sole purpose of a demonstration.

Yeah but their true purpose is that 70% of Intel users get their PC's from manufacturers and they don't need to be overclocked in the first place. 20% build their own computers using Intel processors but never overclocked them at all. The remaining 10% are the extreme enthusiasts that overclock to get the best performance out of their chip. So why should you 10% enthusiasts pay the same price when you're not going to use the processor as intended by Intel. You should pay not just for the chip, not just because it's an Intel chip, and not because they want to get richer but because you're overclocking their chip.

Now for the truth.

Truth is that majority of Intel users and PC users for that matter buy computers from manufacturers like HP, Dell, Toshiba, IBM, Acer, Sony, etc. That majority doesn't even know what the word overclocking means much less how to do it. That is the bulk of Intel's market. The less than 25% minority are the custom systembuilders, gamers, overclockers, tweakers, or whatever you want to call yourselves. Intel is just finding a way to maximize their profit from the minority of the market without jeopardizing the majority market that they already control.
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post #40 of 89
They're pushing it, my best guess is that no-one will buy the new ones that can't be overclocked and no-one can afford the ones that can be overclocked so then if AMD steps in with something better then the current Intel designs (E8500/8400/Q6600/Q6700/Q9550/Q9650/Q9770/Q9775) AMD will actually gain somewhat marketshare again...

Although my best guess is that AMD just does nothing... Seems ever so predictable somehow.
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