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post #51 of 89
well first speaking on nvidia, sure they released g80, and then they made a ton more money with little advancement.. sounds like a good business model to me. and if there next card is faster then ATIs offering, people will go right back to nvidia.

back to intel

for most people its not fanboyism its what is the best current offering.
and in the case of things now alot of stock options from intel are better then amd overclocked.

If that remains then if people are simply going for performance of their comp why they wouldn't buy the best offering whether it overclocks or not is beyond me.

This is really just a way for them to get their mid range and high end models a bigger market share.. and it will probably work if there's no way to circumvent it. (and if its internal i have a feeling they will also try to rule out pin mods ><)


also i think the tags are for improving searching not adding random comments -_-
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post #52 of 89
bah fack intel.
What is it with manufacters these days.
Stop friggin ripping us off

wannnnkers.
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post #53 of 89
If this turns out to be true, I say go Intel!

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post #54 of 89
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Originally Posted by Mootsfox View Post
I'm not paying $400 for a CPU plus $200 for a motherboard so I can overclock. The original point of overclocking was not an epeen contest, it was the ability to get more for your money.

Big companies seem to have little problem with screwing over their most loyal consumers if they don't see a big enough check from them.

But, when Intel does do this, I'm sure someone will find a hole to get around it.
It's just economics/business, when AMD's X2s were kicking the snot out of nutburst they charged quite a bit for their CPUs too... I remember when I put my dad's build together I went with Intel's PD 805 because it was significantly cheaper than the X2 3800 which at the time was $300+.

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Originally Posted by Blauhung
because of this fact, and the want to not alienate this community. Intel developed the Bloomfield based platforms specifically for this community. Everyone else keeps seeing this as the other way around. As if they could have extended the Bloomfield platform down to the mainstream end, where the features wouldn't be useful to anyone other then those who are looking for overclocking potential on the cheap, and to sell this platform to that market they would have to operate at somewhat of a loss in profitability. This community is the only reason there even is a Bloomfield platform. Otherwise Tylersburg would be completely limited to MP and DP platforms only and there would be absolutely no OC'ing at all. It is due to the fact that Intel does want to keep this community support that they tweaked their server chipset to support the wants of the people here.
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The basic differences between the platforms are the amount of stuff that is integrated into the CPU package and how that affects where OC'ers can tweak stuff from.

On the high end Bloomfield parts, you have the Cores the cache as normal, plus a QPI controller and the 3 channel memory controller. All the clock generation is done on a PLL that is on the mobo and the reference frequency is set on the Tylersburg NB. To overclock here you can raise the QPI frequency as it will be the reference frequency that the CPU and memory speeds are split from with CPU multies and memory ratios. There will also be unlocked EE chips that allow CPU multiplier changes.

On Lynnfield which is where the bulk of this forum is interested. Intel moved all the rest of the NB functions onto the package. I'm not sure about the truth of the idea of an integrated PLL from the FUD article, but it makes sense to me. All the clock generation and splitting can now be done in the package and there is no need for any interconnect other then talking to the I/O hub/SB. Removing the interconnect/bus generates huge savings in latency and power consumption as everything is right there, and since there's less chips on the board, the manufacturing costs go down and that results in lower cost to the consumer. That is why the platform is setup this way. The unfortunate for us side effect is that the only ways one could overclock this system is to either alter how the PLL operates (it's in the package and most likely locked at whatever frequency it's set at) or change the multipliers on the CPU (they are also most likely locked). Really there's no way to change the speed once it is set after the binning process in the factory. Because Intel has compromised all the overclocking capabilities on the mainstream platform to save consumers money and power usage in the long run, they created the Bloomfield platform to do the best they can to give this comunity something to play with. Going as far as develping an offshoot of the server line that works very nicely as a High end desktop with a full set of OC capabilities.
What Blauhung has stated thus far makes sense and is at least plausible(even if he works for Intel)... The thrust of the industry has always been more powerful CPUs, reduced power consumption + reduced costs(manufacturing) and for 98%+ of consumers who have no idea what overclocking is that's great. To me it sounds like Intel has tweaked a server line to give enthusiasts bloomfield, which is more than simply an "unlocked" lynnfield platform...

I'm upgrading to a q6700 and IMHO that should tide me over for the next 18+ months(well I might buy a new GFX card if it's performance more than doubles what my OC'd G92 is capable of). Early adopters always pay more, and that goes doubly true for new CPUs and motherboards.
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I must admit, I LOVE my intel C2D, but I'll be making the switch to AMD on my next build if this is true... thats bull. If we want to blow our money killing our warranty and maybe even hardware, why not, if we screw our chip, they make more money, why would they care?
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post #56 of 89
I just hope amd can offer us somthing at a good price that can overclock then they will be back in buisness, sure intel may still perform better in general or have a faster flagship cpu but if amd get the price right im sure they will do fine.
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I must admit, I LOVE my intel C2D, but I'll be making the switch to AMD on my next build if this is true... thats bull. If we want to blow our money killing our warranty and maybe even hardware, why not, if we screw our chip, they make more money, why would they care?
because those scenarios are rarely the case, what is normally the case however is that people buy a cheaper model of a cpu, overclock it with no problems and do not buy a more expensive offering because they get the same performance out of it. I believe that is why intel is doing it
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If this is indeed true, I'll be moving back to AMD.
I concur.
    
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Will we have to re-name this site, runnningstock.net
not unless we all go amd still
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not unless we all go amd still
Amen there.
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