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when first reading this i read $1.4BUSD as $1.48USD. LAWL
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they are effectively monopolising their parts of the industry. Whilst their business practices may be legal in the US, they're not in the EU
Ok, monopolizing is not the same as developing a superior product. The core issue behind this little EU temper tantrum is that some of the core features behind Vista, such as the firewall and windows media player, are built into the operating system to provide increased functionality and security. The EU doesn't like this, since it thinks it has sole control over what an operating system can and can't have *cough*monopolizing*cough*. They are asking Microsoft to remove key features from Vista, essentially making the vanilla package less secure, forcing consumers to pay extra money for 3rd party applications. From Microsoft's point of view its like asking them to remove the taskbar to encourage 3rd party applications from companies like Stardock.


I'm actually siding with MS 100% for once, what the European Union is petty extortion and would be illegal in most other countries. I think that MS needs to go to the US government for support in this one. If the EU wants to extort American companies then the US might as well extort European companies. I would love to see the US fine Ferrari ridiculous amounts of money for making their cars too fast, and demand that they limit the power in order for the North American and Japanese cars to compete.
    
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Ok, monopolizing is not the same as developing a superior product. The core issue behind this little EU temper tantrum is that some of the core features behind Vista, such as the firewall and windows media player, are built into the operating system to provide increased functionality and security. The EU doesn't like this, since it thinks it has sole control over what an operating system can and can't have *cough*monopolizing*cough*. They are asking Microsoft to remove key features from Vista, essentially making the vanilla package less secure, forcing consumers to pay extra money for 3rd party applications. From Microsoft's point of view its like asking them to remove the taskbar to encourage 3rd party applications from companies like Stardock.

I'm actually siding with MS 100% for once, what the European Union is petty extortion and would be illegal in most other countries. I think that MS needs to go to the US government for support in this one. If the EU wants to extort American companies then the US might as well extort European companies. I would love to see the US fine Ferrari ridiculous amounts of money for making their cars too fast, and demand that they limit the power in order for the North American and Japanese cars to compete.
Might I remind you that the media player issue is the smaller half of the EU antitrust case? That the bigger half was the server interoperability issues and the nearly 6% royalties they were charging for other products to have the ability to interface with their servers? That they didn't fully disclose complete and accurate interface information?

And may I further remind you that Microsoft was found guilty in the United States for abuse of monopoly powers over very similar issues, this time the bundling of Internet Explorer into Windows and for altering Windows' APIs to favor IE.


Look into these cases a little more, you might see that theres a bit more going on than you think, or have shown you that you think. Its most definitely not just an "EU temper tantrum and extortion" or "having a superior product."
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Might I remind you that the media player issue is the smaller half of the EU antitrust case? That the bigger half was the server interoperability issues and the nearly 6% royalties they were charging for other products to have the ability to interface with their servers? That they didn't fully disclose complete and accurate interface information?

And may I further remind you that Microsoft was found guilty in the United States for abuse of monopoly powers over very similar issues, this time the bundling of Internet Explorer into Windows and for altering Windows' APIs to favor IE.


Look into these cases a little more, you might see that theres a bit more going on than you think, or have shown you that you think. Its most definitely not just an "EU temper tantrum and extortion" or "having a superior product."
Exactly right about the Internet Explorer dispute... and look at the effects it had - eventually kicked Netscape right out of the picture
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Originally Posted by The Bartender Paradox View Post
Hey man, Europe is nothing without Microsoft, seriously MS made the EU what it is today. Why cant the EU realize what Microsoft is doing is best for the motherland (or should I say mothership). Windows can do anything so therefore everyone needs it; from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs right?

Does that adequately satisfy both conditions?
AFAIK EU is moving to Linux...
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Exactly right about the Internet Explorer dispute... and look at the effects it had - eventually kicked Netscape right out of the picture
That meant have been because netscape sucked...
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post #27 of 42
Like I said, lets get apple for it too then.
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That meant have been because netscape sucked...
Good english. Although Internet Explorer may have been better than Netscape, I'm sure Microsoft's anti-competitive bundling had something to do with it's success.

Although I don't know all of this particular case's specifics, I would prefer to have the government having some say in how companies carry out their business.
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post #29 of 42
Well Ubuntu bundles Firefox should we sue Ubuntu/ Mozilla for doing that?


It is same as Microsoft shipping IE with Windows.
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Well Ubuntu bundles Firefox should we sue Ubuntu/ Mozilla for doing that?


It is same as Microsoft shipping IE with Windows.
Ubuntu is open source and community developed, there is no one to sue. Plus Linux doesn't have the market-share to warrant a lawsuit even if it were applicable. Microsoft was sued because it was using Windows' massive slice of the market to push out competitors.

It's more similar to Intel using its deep pockets to get rid of AMD.
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