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post #21 of 33
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This is a situation without any hardware modifications, so it's not the same thing as in previous generations.
Not all of the previous generations did required hardware mods. NVIDIA wised up around 2-3 yrs ago. Also, the user in this article didn't really test or prove that this worked. In addition, users are paying for the support of Quadro's.
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post #22 of 33
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Not all of the previous generations did required hardware mods. NVIDIA wised up around 2-3 yrs ago. Also, the user in this article didn't really test or prove that this worked. In addition, users are paying for the support of Quadro's.
It is still a case of modified drivers potentially causing a decrease in profits of the company, so I don't see how a parallel with the Creative fiasco is so difficult to understand.
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post #23 of 33
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The OP article is made of fail and loss.
This method used to work with the GeForce 6 series and below, but it's been useless since then. It's highly annoying that they posted it, because it got a lot of our hopes up that someone had actually found a way to mod GeForce 8 only to have them immediately crushed.
how is it worthless and how is it different then the 6 series cards?

sorry I'm not to sure on the geforce cards as I have only worked with ati cards so far.
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post #24 of 33
I had done this to many cards back when I needed too. Working closely with several companies including ATI and nVidia, I have found out that there IS a slight difference in the two range of cards (Quadro vs GeForce). The main (and most significant) difference is in the GPU. The GPU's that go into the quadro's are the top 10-20% performance wise, gpu's that come off the line. They get tagged for quadro production while the less performing gpu's go into consumer cards and then it depends on the performance as to what model cards they get stuffed into. Some companies like BFG also get dibs from the top performers for their OC versions.
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post #25 of 33
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Originally Posted by stargate125645 View Post
It is still a case of modified drivers potentially causing a decrease in profits of the company, so I don't see how a parallel with the Creative fiasco is so difficult to understand.
Cause it's not simply just modified drivers, there is also....
1) Different BIOS
2) Modified PCB
3) Customer support
4) GPU binning
5) Increase memory in some models

Companies that pay for the Quadro can afford the benefits. This happens in all PC industries. i.e. Xeon, Opterons, server class PSU, enterprise OS licenses, etc.

The Creative Labs issue was that they took a consumer component like the Audigy and purposely introduced noise or caused it to fail. There are quite a few differences.
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post #26 of 33
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Cause it's not simply just modified drivers, there is also....
1) Different BIOS
2) Modified PCB
3) Customer support
4) GPU binning
5) Increase memory in some models

Companies that pay for the Quadro can afford the benefits. This happens in all PC industries. i.e. Xeon, Opterons, server class PSU, enterprise OS licenses, etc.

The Creative Labs issue was that they took a consumer component like the Audigy and purposely introduced noise or caused it to fail. There are quite a few differences.
You are missing the fact that this modification enables something for which you are supposed to have to pay significantly more money. Regardless of how it is prevented, the ultimate goal was the same by Creative: to make the customer pay more to get more features. Thus, the two incidents have significant similarities.
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post #27 of 33
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You are missing the fact that this modification enables something for which you are supposed to have to pay significantly more money. Regardless of how it is prevented, the ultimate goal was the same by Creative: to make the customer pay more to get more features. Thus, the two incidents have significant similarities.
However the Video card market is much more open then the sound card market.

Within reason of course, XFX or EVGA can do what ever they want with some G92 cores, when is the last time Creative allowed open use of the X-FI chip?

Nvidia has also been very quiet about the many many modified Drivers people have put out.
    
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Can't stop pirates of the software seas.
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post #29 of 33
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However the Video card market is much more open then the sound card market.

Within reason of course, XFX or EVGA can do what ever they want with some G92 cores, when is the last time Creative allowed open use of the X-FI chip?

Nvidia has also been very quiet about the many many modified Drivers people have put out.
How open the market is has no reflection upon this discussion. And Nvidia or ATI being quiet about most of the custom drivers says nothing since the vast majority of those drivers didn't open up expensive upgrades for which one normally must fork over substantial numbers of small children in ritual sacrifice.

Auzentech has use of the X-Fi chipset.
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post #30 of 33
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How open the market is has no reflection upon this discussion. And Nvidia or ATI being quiet about most of the custom drivers says nothing since the vast majority of those drivers didn't open up expensive upgrades for which one normally must fork over substantial numbers of small children in ritual sacrifice.

Auzentech has use of the X-Fi chipset.
But... it's NOT just the drivers and it already is common knowledge that the Quadro are modified GeForce.

I occasionally deal with CAD and workstation calls. They are using GeForce cards cause they can't afford the Quadro. In most cases, they are aware of the differences and a few inquired about modding. It's not like it's a conspiracy.


Again... if you want to compare.... compare the industry were the higher binned/better supported components cost significantly more. Yet companies still pay the difference because the cost of failure or troubleshooting is worth less than downtime.
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