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So AMD is now lying because the other companys are outselling them? I've had absolutely no issues playing even 4 1080p videos at once, it runs fine and smooth.

AMD needs to get real, saying stuff like this is just going to make them lose customers.
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your GTX doesn't decode VC-1.

Perhaps they are saying that despite "supporting" VC-1, they aren't as good at decoding VC-1.

I'm not trying to say this doesn't sound like the pot calling the kettle black, but without doing both, I'm inclined to think that he may have at least a small leg to stand on.
    
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guys one thing to also think about with this is the marketing aspect. you can tell the truth in such a way that it make sound worse then what it is.

nvidia doesn't give you the true feel of dx10

intel has yet to make a quad core cpu

the raptor is the fastest drive ever.

we are faster then the raptor drive.

it's all in how they word it and how they twist the wording while still being legal.
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If he replies, it'll be after he reads the article.
I doubt he will reply. chances are like most people when caught in this situation is they just ignore it and hope the problem goes away.
honestly I would give him more credit if he did reply but it never works that way
Edited by rx7speed - 5/12/08 at 9:55am
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post #24 of 52
The point of this article isn't about the 8800s you guys have, Its how the integregated Intel Extreme and nVIDIA onboard graphics don't support the decoding of Blu-ray content.
AMD is just showing off their 780G chipset.
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Quote:
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Not such a big deal. It all comes down to the VC-1 codec... if it's efficient enough, then an E2180 can do it too.

f.e. my 6420 can't decode 1920*1080 H264 at realtime when there's a lot of action going on with ffdshow... it constantly stays at 100%... but using CoreAVC, it lurks around 40-45%.

If anything, you only have the VC-1 decoder developers to blame (Microsoft/ffmpeg/whoever)
Use PowerDVD 8 Ultra. I can play H.264 1080p smoothly
CPU Usage: ~10% w/ DxVA | ~40% w/o DxVA
Edited by P.J - 5/12/08 at 11:10am
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AMD says its better that it's two competitors?
I shat bricks.
Yeah, it is.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3258&p=4

PS. Its about IGP.
PS2. Radeon 3200 (AMD 780G) has better frame rate that nVidia 8200 (UT3) - 26 vs 19
PS3. I think this will be the last post, because this link explains a lot.
PS4. Read through the article, not just this page that I have linked.

Fanboys SHALL NOT PASS!
Edited by metala - 5/12/08 at 11:28am
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All this biatchslapping amongst the companies is beginning to annoy me.
This one actually has a legitimate statement, AMD has the only decent integrated graphics i have seen.
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The point of this article isn't about the 8800s you guys have, Its how the integregated Intel Extreme and nVIDIA onboard graphics don't support the decoding of Blu-ray content.
AMD is just showing off their 780G chipset.
This is untrue please research before you post:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8200mgpu.html

Quote:
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Yeah, it is.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3258&p=4

PS. Its about IGP.
PS2. Radeon 3200 (AMD 780G) has better frame rate that nVidia 8200 (UT3) - 26 vs 19
PS3. I think this will be the last post, because this link explains a lot.
PS4. Read through the article, not just this page that I have linked.

Fanboys SHALL NOT PASS!
The ATI cards are only slightly better at VC-1 decoding on lowend cards. nVidia fully supports Hardware VC-1 but does some things differently as VC-1 decoding is not as demanding on hardware. nVidia is faster at h.264 and mpeg in many tests. As h.264 is more common I would think it more important.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=3&id=2478


Quote:
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This one actually has a legitimate statement, AMD has the only decent integrated graphics i have seen.
Please see below:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8200mgpu.html

I think that everyone needs to do a little research before believing everything they read.
And please I am not a fanboy as I went all ATI until not to long ago.
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The ATI cards are only slightly better at VC-1 decoding on lowend cards. nVidia fully supports Hardware VC-1 but does some things differently as VC-1 decoding is not as demanding on hardware. nVidia is faster at h.264 and mpeg in many tests. As h.264 is more common I would think it more important.

http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles...?cid=3&id=2478
Well, you are somewhere around the truth.
BUT you're comparing 8800GT/GTX and 3870, not 8200 and 3200.
After all 3200 is 7 FPS (or 36%) faster than 8200 @ 1024x768 maximum settings, Unreal Tournament 3

An opposing to your statement that nVidia fully supports VC-1, it doesn't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by From your link
Of course, while this combination is a significant improvement over VP1, it's not perfect since this applies only to H.264. For VC-1 decoding, the entropy decoding step is still reliant on the CPU.
This is shown in the The Superman Returns. 7% CPU usage more.

I would add I am not a fanboy as I went all nVidia until not to long ago (4 VCs).
Edited by metala - 5/12/08 at 2:51pm
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post #30 of 52
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Originally Posted by MangoMan View Post
Please see below:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8200mgpu.html

I think that everyone needs to do a little research before believing everything they read.
And please I am not a fanboy as I went all ATI until not to long ago.
Look at actual benchmarks with it facing off against AMD's 780G. Not a product page (which is designed to make the one reading it believe its better then it usually is, all companies do this not bashing nVidia.)
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