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hi guys iv fried my (OCZ DDR2 PC2-8500 SLI-Ready Edition 4gig) my own fault pushed it to far, im hopin that some of of you guys and gals could give me some advice on what ram i should get, i also fried my mobo (p5n32-e sli plus) at the moment im usin
mobo p5k
cpu e6600 duo core
psu galaxy
cpu cooler zalman 9500
gpu evga 8800gts superclocked
i would like 4 gig but in 2 gig sticks to run in dual mode,
but any advice would be a great help, i was lookin at this
(OCZ PC2-8000 ReaperX HPC 4GB Edition) but not realy sure about them im not sure if they are a bit over kill.
thanks again
Edited by jase06 - 5/13/08 at 3:13am
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Check this out before buy those OCZ to your ASUS board.

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=34650


This G.Skill 1066 is not bad.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231166
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thanks m8
would you say that 2 gig sticks are better than four 1 gig sticks,
what would you suggest as i dont know to much about pc,s
im usin vista ultimate
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thanks m8
would you say that 2 gig sticks are better than four 1 gig sticks,
what would you suggest as i dont know to much about pc,s
im usin vista ultimate
First go to "User CP", "Your Control Panel", "System information", "Edit System" and fill in your system as detailed as you can, that way it´s easier for us to help you.

So back to your issue.

I have not run any 4Gb yet but I suggest 2x2 and the only reason for that are that you can put in another 2x2 if you want to go with 8Gb.

If you want to OC you should go for 1066 or higher because Intel chipset tend to like high MHz loose timing more then low MHz tight timing and it definitive not like 1 : 1, you get better performance from any other divider,
if you want know more about that, read this article, it starts at page 4.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208&p=1


I suppose you run Vista 64 or XP 64, then you gain more from 4Gb vs 2Gb then with Vista 32, it´s not that much with XP 32 even less.

You can check this thread where guys are discussing 2x2 or 4x1 and different brands, hope it can help some.

http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...c8500-ftw.html
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good thread about 2x2 4x1
ill go for the 2x2 and like you said iv got the option of another 4 gig in the future if needed, iv looked on uk sites for some gskill and from the reviews it sounds decent ram so ill probably go with your suggestion, thanks for all your help m8
and hope you like my pc specs lol
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good thread about 2x2 4x1
ill go for the 2x2 and like you said iv got the option of another 4 gig in the future if needed, iv looked on uk sites for some gskill and from the reviews it sounds decent ram so ill probably go with your suggestion, thanks m8
and hope you like my pc specs lol
Not bad, that E6600 should run 400 8 3,2 with not much vcore increase, your PSU is overkill thou but for a future quad and SLI is no problem for you.

Good luck with your memory.
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1 more thing i was tinkerin with overclockin it and you mentioned 400x8, is it better to overclock the cpu x8 or x9, i have overclocked it a bit but i was usin x9 multiplyer example 333x9=3.0gz i aint done much overclockin and as you wrote about the x8 i just wonderd what you thinks best
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1 more thing i was tinkerin with overclockin it and you mentioned 400x8, is it better to overclock the cpu x8 or x9, i have overclocked it a bit but i was usin x9 multiplyer example 333x9=3.0gz i aint done much overclockin and as you wrote about the x8 i just wonderd what you thinks best
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That´s why we have forum, to help each others so it´s no problems, you are welcome.

Well, lets start

With Intel you have FSB (Front Side Bus) and that´s the communication between CPU to NB to RAM and vice versa and it teed to like high MHz, so bring up that FSB and you transfer data faster. Then you have to link that with your RAM (memspeed) and find a timing that is stable and also find that Performence Level (with ASUS it calls "Transaction Booster") which increase bandwidth and decrease latency.

Then you have to combine all this to find your "sweet spot" so that your system is stable with your FSB, CPUspeed, memspeed, timing and performance level (PL).

Here´s a little example

333 9 3,0 800 4-4-4-12 PL5 Divider 5 : 6

Read 7741
Write 6057
Copy 6536
Lat 61,8

333 9 3,0 1066 5-5-5-15 PL4 Divider 5 : 8

Read 8758
Write 6099
Copy 6693
Lat 55,2

400 8 3,2 800 4-4-4-12 PL7 Divider 1 : 1

Read 8296
Write 7304
Copy 7418
Lat 60,6

400 8 3,2 1066 5-5-5-15 PL5 Divider 3 : 4

Read 9363
Write 7309
Copy 7804
Lat 52,7

425 8 3,4 850 4-4-4-12 PL7 Divider 1 : 1

Read 8817
Write 7245
Copy 7956
Lat 57,0

425 8 3,4 1066 5-5-5-15 PL6 Divider 4 : 5

Read 9274
Write 7748
Copy 8021
Lat 54,9

As you see high FSB and high memspeed even with loose timing tend to be better, bandwidth increase and latency decrease, that´s the way it should be, in this case I should go with either 425 1066 or 400 1066.

How does this affect your system, well, if you go with high FSB, CPU speed and memspeed you get a more responsive and snappier system and your loading times for games gets shorter and applications start faster.

But if I game, you my ask, well if you have a upper mainstrem or highend grahpics card, with high resulotion and high quality, it´s not going to be a noticeable difference even thou we have FSB 333 and 3,0 and up to FSB 425 and 3,4 but with low resulotion and low quality there is, you get more fps. If we had compare the following, FSB 266 and 2,4 up to FSB 475 up to 3,8, it had been the same and memspeed doesn´t matter either.

I have showed similary example to folks and recommed then (if they game) to put there money on a better grahpics card then on mobo, CPU and memory if they have a tight budget.

So going with for example E6600, 800 5-5-5 and a highend grahpic card with out OC is good enough as it is.

But I you want to OC your system you got for example, a more responsive and snappier system and your loading times for games gets shorter and applications starts faster and don´t forget, the wellbeing of how good your are OC your system.

That should be enough for now, but if you want some more help with OC, keep me posted and I will help you.
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post #9 of 13
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great stuff m8
im gona have to read it a few times to let it sink in and do some experimenting what benchmark app have you been usin, im usin 3dmark vantage pro, is it any good or would you suggest somethin els as ther is loads of different benchmarkin apps out there i use coretemp, cpuz, everest ultimate, i use those for temps and voltage readins mostly,
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great stuff m8
im gona have to read it a few times to let it sink in and do some experimenting
Take your time, did you read that article, yes I know it´s about Rampage but it works the same on your P5K.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3208

and here is some more about tweaking

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=3239

Okey, enough about that


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what benchmark app have you been usin, im usin 3dmark vantage pro, is it any good or would you suggest somethin els as ther is loads of different benchmarkin apps out there i use coretemp, cpuz, everest ultimate, i use those for temps and voltage readins mostly,

I don´t use those 3DMark benchies because they don´t tell me how well my games gonna run, sure you can use 3DMark when compare with others but it´s seldom two system that´s alike so I think it´s useless.
That´s my opinion about 3DMark.

How I OC, first I find my max CPUspeed with in the safe side of volt and temp with memory set to low speed and loose timing so then don´t hamper my CPUtweak and test stability with Prime95 25.6 or Orthos, small FFT for aout 4 hours.

Then I find my max memspeed, timing and performance level (PL) with in the save side of volt and temp with CPUspeed set to lower speed then my max so it don´t hamper my memtweak and test stability with Memtest86+ (this one you boot from, this is good because you can test your memory before going in to Windows) or MemTest (this one is in Windows).

Now I know my best FSB,CPUspeed, memspeed, timing and performance level(PL), then try to combine those things so we get that "sweetspot".

When I have found that "sweetspot" I test with Prime or Orthos, blend test together with ATI Tools 3Dview, when doing this we put load on FSB, CPUspeed, NB and memory and if it´s stable, well next step.

Time to OC that grahpics card using Rivatuner 2.09 and ATI Tool or FurMark for test of artifacts and then I do the above test again. Then over to the next one.

I run Crysis Benchmark Tool, Harbor 1600x1200 on High 50 loops (about 1,5 - 2 hours), is it stable I run some test with the following games, GRAW2, RSV and Crysis and if no crashs I´m finished, know I call my system stable enough.

I use CoreTemp to check temp (RealTemp are better for E8400, it works for E6600 also).

CPU-Z for FSB, CPUspeed, memspeed, timing and CPU Voltage compare with BIOS in idle and under load.

Everest I mainly use to check bandwidth and latency (Cache & memory Benchmark) and kind of universal for alot of things, logging temp or memory use for example.

You can read this article, it´s another idea how to test.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=3184&p=7


Okey, that´s the way I do things, yes I know It´s a lot to read and I hope you don´t get a brainmeltdown.

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