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Anything that helps AMD regain the performance crown is good, IMO. Hope this is it. :-D
    
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oh, it was just a joke lol.
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I wasn't aware that TSMC was fabbing on SOI. Chartered is and I'm curious as to why Chartered isn't getting any more orders since they have to hardware up and running already. Sure TSMC is one of the best players in fabbing but if they have to do the initial setup for SOI, the yields will probably be pretty low in the beginning.

Or the other alternative to this move is that they are planning to move to bulk CMOS for CPU production, since their GPUs are on it already and it might be easier to fab Fusion chips on TSMC's bulk CMOS.

Nonetheless, this potentially could be a good move for AMD if they can manage it properly. With TSMC's expertise in fabbing, there should be no excuse for AMD to be over 12 months behind Intel in manufacturing processes.


EDIT: Here's what TechReport states:

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Recently, we've heard faint whispers that AMD could spin off its manufacturing business into a new company—whispers that recent statements from AMD CEO Hector Ruiz would seem to corroborate. Now, DigiTimes quotes industry sources as saying AMD will outsource more of its processor production in the second half of the year.

AMD has been getting other firms to make some of its CPUs for some time (just ask Chartered Semiconductor), but DigiTimes claims the chipmaker has picked an unlikely partner this time: TSMC, a.k.a. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, the pure-play foundry that already handles the lion's share of graphics processor manufacturing for both AMD and Nvidia. DigiTimes says the foundry has begun testing a silicon-on-insulator fabrication process in preparation for AMD CPU orders.

AMD partners reportedly believe further CPU production outsourcing might let AMD auction off some of its manufacturing equipment, thus cutting operational costs. Interestingly, DigiTimes says its sources also claim AMD wants to return to profitability in the first half of 2009 and increase its global market share to 30% by the second quarter of the same year. The latest word from AMD itself is that the company aims to become operationally profitable in the second half of this year.
So TSMC is preparing a SOI fab for AMD? Now that sounds like exactly what AMD needs. With TSMC's expertise, AMD should be able to get back into the game. Plus, with TSMC going to 450mm wafers, this will be an even better reason to switch over to them.
Edited by Cheetos316 - 5/13/08 at 12:42pm
    
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Short term... Yes
Long term... No

Is adding a middleman ever a good thing?

-EDIT-

Then again, who knows? IFF going "asset light" ultimately leads to an IBM buyout and the two developing and licensing their collaborative IP... Might not be a bad move.
I agree. This isnt the best idea. But it would bring in a bit more capitol.
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Originally Posted by MasterKromm View Post
Short term... Yes
Long term... No

Is adding a middleman ever a good thing?
But see, AMD already does a bunch of outsourcing of chip fab to Chartered Semiconductors.

Now here is an interesting idea, to combine with the AMD splitting into design and fab companies. Instead of spinning off the fabs into a new business, why not sell them to one of these mercenary chip foundries. I would think that would give AMD a healthy infusion of cash to invest into their research and development (or as it may be, pay off their debts). The foundries would be happy too, as they wouldn't have to spend spend the time to markedly expand their manufacturing capabilities, everything is already built and waiting. The only question is would they be able to find a buyer? I can't imagine these things going for cheap.
Edited by The Bartender Paradox - 5/13/08 at 12:54pm
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so its like what nvidia is doing then. making the design of the cards and then sending them to foxconn to have them make it?
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EDIT: Here's what TechReport states:

So TSMC is preparing a SOI fab for AMD? Now that sounds like exactly what AMD needs. With TSMC's expertise, AMD should be able to get back into the game. Plus, with TSMC going to 450mm wafers, this will be an even better reason to switch over to them.
Ultimately if AMD is to succeed they will need the manufacturing capacity of a major foundry (TSMC, Chartered, UMC ect) or completely sell off (perhaps even close) their fabs... I don't know how many companies want to own semiconductor fabs in Germany or the US, since the cost of fabbing there is most likely higher than in China/Taiwan...

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Originally Posted by The Bartender Paradox View Post
But see, AMD already does a bunch of outsourcing of chip fab to Chartered Semiconductors.

Now here is an interesting idea, to combine with the AMD splitting into design and fab companies. Instead of spinning off the fabs into a new business, why not sell them to one of these mercenary chip foundries. I would think that would give AMD a healthy infusion of cash to invest into their research and development (or as it may be, pay off their debts). The foundries would be happy too, as they wouldn't have to spend spend the time to markedly expand their manufacturing capabilities, everything is already built and waiting. The only question is would they be able to find a buyer? I can't imagine these things going for cheap.
That's kind of what I was insinuating, just it was done poorly on my part...

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Originally Posted by MasterKromm View Post
-EDIT-

Then again, who knows? IFF going "asset light" ultimately leads to an IBM buyout and the two developing and licensing their collaborative IP... Might not be a bad move.
If AMD was able to sell off it's fabs it would still need the kind of capital IBM carries to successfully compete at the R&D level with Intel... Considering the vast amount of IP both IBM and AMD lay claim to I think that would be a good merger/buyout. With the potential for AMD to remain/become competitive with Intel.
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I know, set up a new company called ATI to do the GPUs then that just leaves AMD with the CPUs to work with.
, I know hope you're joking, they just merged a few years back
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